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All of your points granted...I agree, you're probably right. I've actually worked, in DC for some folk exactly as you describe, who were homosexual. For that reason, why in the world do homosexuals who like SOME conservative values need their own lobby group? If they agree with conservative policies, they can work within existing groups...and no one will know (or probably care) about their sex life. However, they cannot like ALL of conservative values...as conservatives are usually religious--its what distinguishes us from libertarians--as we see ethics as essential to freedom, and ethics as grounded in religion...and some forms of sexual behavior (like adultery, incest, and yes, homosexuality) are inherently unethical and immoral, in ALL traditional religions/moral systems, not just Christianity.

To me this is as silly as "pro-life" Democrats. Or pro-socialist libertarians. A politically conservative homosexual rejects the foundation of the conservative movement: Traditional values.

Libertines should be libertarian as they are not, by definition, conservative.

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Yes, but by that same argument, atheists would have difficulty being conservatives as well. Yet many of them don’t. At the same time your argument justifies why they would want their own subgroup among conservatives.

I’ve said in past that there are major subdivisions in conservatism, yet not in conflict with each other for the most part, but existing more from point of view and focus. Some examples.

“True” conservatives, which are conservatives as to the dictionary definition of conservative. People who are generally satisfied with the status quo, and see no need for radical departure from it in any direction. They much prefer a mode of gradualism for any change.

“Religious” or “Moral” conservatives, whose political direction is based on their moral values, but with far less emphasis on subjects that are morally neutral.

“Business” conservatives, whose concern is that a thriving economy “raises all boats”, and inherently solves many other problems. This group is again subdivided between the small business types, and big business types. It also has a somewhat corrupt “international business” type as well, that are truly outside of conservative thought.

“Anti-leftist” conservatives, whose firm belief is that *nothing* good comes from leftism, liberalism, radicalism, socialism, and their ilk, so their agenda is to stop, thwart, interfere with, inhibit, neutralize, and hopefully turn back what the left has done. They’ll let the rest of conservatives figure out what conservatism should promulgate; they are busy enough fighting to “stop evil.”

Law & Order, military, and foreign policy conservatives.

Reactionary and isolationist conservatives. Pat Buchanan and maybe Ron Paul.

Other varieties of conservatism, and the overlap with Libertarianism. This can cover the gamut from Ted Nugent to G. Gordon Liddy, and the innumerable variations between.