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S&P balks at SEC proposal to reveal rating errors [ Obama is off by 2 Trillion Dollars ]
reuters ^ | Aug 9 2011 | reuters

Posted on 08/10/2011 1:53:55 PM PDT by NoLibZone

Standard & Poor's, whose unprecedented downgrade of U.S. debt triggered a worldwide stocks sell-off, is pushing back against a U.S. government proposal that would require credit raters to disclose "significant errors" in how they calculate their ratings.

S&P, which was accused by the Obama administration of making an error in its calculations leading to Friday's downgrade, raised concern about the proposed new corrections policy and other issues in an 84-page letter to the Securities and Exchange Commission, dated August 8.

The SEC is weighing sweeping new rules designed to improve the quality of ratings after their poor performance in the financial crisis.

The 517-page proposal includes a requirement that ratings agencies post on their websites when a "significant error" is identified in their methodology for a credit rating action.

The letter was sent three days after the U.S. Treasury Department accused S&P of miscalculating -- by some $2 trillion -- the U.S. debt in the next 10 years. That calculation was in a draft press release announcing a downgrade in the government's credit rating from AAA to AA-plus.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2t; debt; sandp; sandpcreditrating

1 posted on 08/10/2011 1:54:04 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

2 posted on 08/10/2011 1:55:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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two trill is a rounding error in Obama’s America..


3 posted on 08/10/2011 1:56:51 PM PDT by newnhdad
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To: NoLibZone

shoot the messenger


4 posted on 08/10/2011 2:01:33 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NoLibZone

Originally when this came up, I understood this to mean that the administration was accusing S &P of a two trillion dollar mistake in calculations. Reading this article leads me to think that there are differing calculations and the two sides are blaming each other. If S & P is avoiding demands to be transparent, then the administration may have a point. Two much money has evaporated from the market to be unsure of who is wrong. I’m not sure I trust either side here.


5 posted on 08/10/2011 2:07:04 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: NoLibZone

It’s Obama’s way of roughing them up. He’s helped turn America into one giant Chicago.


6 posted on 08/10/2011 2:07:37 PM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: johniegrad

Should be “too much money”.


7 posted on 08/10/2011 2:09:59 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad

I think that Auburn paid it to Scam Newton last year.


8 posted on 08/10/2011 2:13:00 PM PDT by DOGHEAD
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To: NoLibZone
Like what happened to Arthur Andersen with Enron, S & P and Moody's should be RIP with what they didn't do during the 2008 investment bank atrocity.
9 posted on 08/10/2011 2:16:43 PM PDT by Cyman
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"The 517-page proposal includes a requirement that ratings agencies post on their websites when a "significant error" is identified in their methodology for a credit rating action."

"We have ways of making you talk."

10 posted on 08/10/2011 2:19:44 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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11 posted on 08/10/2011 2:34:01 PM PDT by Zakeet (If it ain't broke, the Wee Wee will fix it until it is)
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To: Zakeet

Excellent graphic!


12 posted on 08/10/2011 2:52:58 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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S & P should request an audit of the federal reserve and our federal govenment. You think that might shut up the phony Marxist?


13 posted on 08/10/2011 2:59:07 PM PDT by doc
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S & P was here long before we were aware of NObama.

They will be here long after.

NObama is the one heading for the end of his reign.


14 posted on 08/10/2011 3:07:51 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: NoLibZone

Gross Domestic Product calculation:

Y = C + I + E + G

where

Y = GDP

C = Consumer Spending

I = Investment made by industry (basically this is purchases of capital goods, or business-to-business purchases of equipment)

E = Excess of Exports over Imports (this is negative)

G = Government Spending

The net total of all these is about $14.5 trillion per year.

That’s also how much debt that is owed by the Federal government on debt instruments issued by the Treasury; about $14.5 trillion.

Now, the Federal government sucks about $2.2 trillion a year out of us and our businesses.

And then it spends $3.8 trillion and borrows about $1.6 trillion MORE on top of the $14.5 trillion it owes, so a year from now it will have issued a total of about $16 trillion in debt.

It’s pretty clear that we need to “roll over” debt as it comes due, as there is never much cash on hand beyond a month or so. We keep paying interest on every bond (hundreds of billions per year), then, when the bond reaches it’s maturity date and the principal must be repaid - we simply borrow more money by issuing new bonds to pay off the old ones.

The only actual cash the government has access to is what comes in through taxes every month. The government is living hand-to-mouth, month-to-month.

If government spending got down to $2 trillion so there was no deficit, it would stop adding to the debt it owes. But Congress is unable to stop itself.

Ponzi scheme: the principal of the $14.5 soon to be $16 trillion will never be paid back, only interest.

The Federal government got into trouble in 2009 when the deficit basically tripled from 2008, and spending was never reined in to get the deficit under control. At that point the AAA rating should have been cut.


15 posted on 08/10/2011 3:18:23 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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