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Gun Query Off Limits for Doctors in Florida (barf alert)
NY Times ^ | August 8, 2011 | ERIN N. MARCUS, M.D.

Posted on 08/09/2011 12:18:30 AM PDT by neverdem

As a primary care physician, I regularly ask patients questions that many people would consider rude, inappropriately nosy or just irrelevant in polite conversation.

Do you wear your seat belt? How much alcohol do you usually drink? Do you use recreational drugs? Have you ever injected yourself with anything? Do you have sexual relations, and if so, with men, women or both?

Questions like these have long been a standard part of medical interviewing, and for good reason. The answers may reveal clues about a person’s symptoms or physical findings on exam. If a person says he or she drinks heavily or has used intravenous drugs, I may be more alert to signs of liver problems when doing the physical exam and more inclined to order certain blood tests. The answers also help me know if the patient is at greater risk for common, yet preventable, causes of death, like H.I.V., car accidents and heart disease, so that I can counsel him or her.

There’s one customary question, though, that I’m no...

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The law provides an exemption if the question is “relevant to the patient’s medical care or safety,” though it doesn’t specify what would qualify as relevant...

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The academy recommends that parents not have a gun in the home. When guns are present, it suggests they be kept unloaded, in a secure, locked place, with the bullets stored separately...

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Because the new law directly conflicts with accepted medical practices, some of my pediatrician colleagues have told me privately that they worry that not asking about firearms could put them at risk of a malpractice claim if the patient subsequently dies of or is injured by a gunshot. Psychiatrists routinely inquire about guns, too, and the law’s requirements potentially place them in a legal predicament...

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The law provides an exemption if the question is “relevant to the patient’s medical care or safety,” though it doesn’t specify what would qualify as relevant.

"Is the patient a threat to themselves or others," is the usual formulation, i.e. are they suicidal or homicidal?

Baloney, with phony gun grabbing stats to boot! Have an inconvenient firearm while flash mobs go wilding.

1 posted on 08/09/2011 12:18:37 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Here in FL I went to the eye doctor a few weeks ago and he told me the feds wanted him to ask me my height and weight.

I told him it was none of the feds D*** business my height and weight (this is an eye dr) and he laughed, but the software was set up he had to put something in.


2 posted on 08/09/2011 12:23:14 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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You know, I've been in and out of Doctor Offices most of my life, going with one family member or another, and I've never had any Doctor ask any of those questions. I can assure you if they had, they would have been told..."I came to see you for this, not to be grilled like a prisoner." then the relative would have left, taking their records with them to find a new Doctor.
3 posted on 08/09/2011 12:23:30 AM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: neverdem
The academy recommends that parents not have a gun in the home. When guns are present, it suggests they be kept unloaded, in a secure, locked place, with the bullets stored separately.

My firearms are mine and are for my protection (and enjoyment).

First, they're absolutely useless to me if kept unloaded, locked away with the bullets stored who knows where.

Secondly, it's none of the g****mn business.

4 posted on 08/09/2011 12:26:18 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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“There’s no political agenda — we’re talking about the safety of children,” said Dr. Lisa A. Cosgrove, president of the group’s Florida chapter.

Lying sack of crap. Burn in hell.

5 posted on 08/09/2011 12:28:02 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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The academy recommends that parents not have a gun in the home. When guns are present, it suggests they be kept unloaded, in a secure, locked place, with the bullets stored separately...
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My father taught them that...


6 posted on 08/09/2011 12:30:00 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: neverdem
Anytime “bullets” is used to denote ammunition I know that the source knows nothing about firearms.
7 posted on 08/09/2011 12:43:17 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: neverdem
” How much alcohol do you usually drink? Do you use recreational drugs? Have you ever injected yourself with anything? Do you have sexual relations, and if so, with men, women or both?”

“No, but if you’re really lonesome maybe we could get together for a beer sometime, Doc.”

8 posted on 08/09/2011 12:48:30 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: neverdem

American hospitals are guilty of over 90,000 deaths per year due to mistakes and the filthy habits of doctors and nurses. That is the equivalent of a JUMBO JET FALLING OUT OF THE SKY DAILY!

Shouldn’t we as patients be asking:

DO YOU HAVE A DRUG OR DRINKING PROBLEM?

HAVE YOU WASHED YOUR HANDS?


9 posted on 08/09/2011 12:48:30 AM PDT by anonsquared
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According to the group, firearms account for a third of all deaths from injury among teenagers and more than one in five deaths from injury among people ages 1 to 19.

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“There’s no political agenda — we’re talking about the safety of children,..."


Ahh, ha ha ha. No political agenda, huh? But you can tell by their dishonest "statistics." Numbers may not lie, but, well, you know, liers use numbers.

One in 3 teenage deaths are from firearms?! I've known of plenty of youngsters even locally who died from other causes, like drug overdose, car crashes (teens and cars are a high risk factor,) boating accidents, cancer, infection, pneumonia, suicide -- but from gunshots? I mean of course it happens, it just doesn't seem to come anywhere near the bulk of causes. But maybe I just live in a saner part of the country.

I notice they do use the key phrase "deaths from injury" -- so maybe they are saying that drugs, car wrecks, drowning, poisoning, suicide, and cancer aren't injurious. But what sort of skewed mentality is that!

~Jesse
10 posted on 08/09/2011 12:49:26 AM PDT by mrjesse (The big bang and dark matter exist only in black holes that are supposed to be full of gray matter)
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To: SIDENET

If this idiot is worried about the safety of children, she should be at the forefront of shutting down every public school in America.


11 posted on 08/09/2011 12:50:28 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: SIDENET

She a useful idiot, or she actually in on the politics?

Anyhow, let the AMA print all the pamphlets it wants for doctors to pass out at their reception desks about how they think guns ought to be properly stored in homes with children. But nosing into individual families when no good reason has presented itself (like, little Johnny just came in to the doctor’s office with a gun shot wound and the parents are calling it an accident) is improper. I’m actually kind of sad that there was felt to be needed a law about it, if patients were uncomfortable saying “respectfully, it’s none of your business.” Whereupon a doctor might answer “well, here’s a pamphlet with safety recommendations in case you do.” And that would be that. But I can doctors trying to get this from kids, who don’t know better than to keep things discreet.


12 posted on 08/09/2011 12:53:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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The law provides an exemption if the question is “relevant to the patient’s medical care or safety,” though it doesn’t specify what would qualify as relevant...

Hmmmmm. Let's see..... maybe if he arrives at the doc office or emergency room with more holes than a normal human being should have, questions about guns could be considered relevant?

13 posted on 08/09/2011 12:59:29 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: anonsquared
Shouldn’t we as patients be asking:

DO YOU HAVE A DRUG OR DRINKING PROBLEM?

HAVE YOU WASHED YOUR HANDS?

At the hospital where I work, there are signs at the patient entrances, encouraging them to ask their practitioner if he/she has washed his/her hands. I haven't seen any signs encouraging patients to ask about drug/alcohol use, though.

14 posted on 08/09/2011 1:08:33 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Shadowstrike

I wnt to one medical center and was asked to fill out my race. I was born in the US so I simply wrote “Native American:..


15 posted on 08/09/2011 1:44:16 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: mrjesse
One in 3 teenage deaths are from firearms?!

Figure in those involved in marketing of certain substances and acquisition of portable property.

16 posted on 08/09/2011 1:52:24 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: neverdem

Who was it who said that any group that is not specifically rightist will become dominated by leftists over time? The AAP falls into this category.

The lefties are just doing what lefties do, using another organization to advance their agenda. In the process, a useful organization will be slowly destroyed and discredited.

Good for Florida for standing up to the leftist bullies. Perhaps, if enough states follow suit, the AAP might yet be saved.


17 posted on 08/09/2011 1:59:30 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be a slave)
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To: neverdem
Hey Doc .. you're fired

jerkoff

18 posted on 08/09/2011 2:15:00 AM PDT by tomkat (Sarah '12)
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To: neverdem

I guess Erin doesn’t have a problem with Euthanasia though....

ErinNMarcusMD Great essay by Andrew Solomon on death and choices: On My Mother, and Dr. Kevorkian newyorker.com/online/blogs/n… via @NewYorker
2 months ago

http://mobile.twitter.com/erinnmarcusmd?max_id=83725529005555712


19 posted on 08/09/2011 2:20:49 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: neverdem

Atul_Gawande He’s signed health reform, stopped a depression, and killed bin Laden. I’m not sure Obama is a man of ideas, but he IS a man of solutions.
3 months ago
Retweeted by ErinNMarcusMD

http://mobile.twitter.com/erinnmarcusmd?max_id=67174811977265152


20 posted on 08/09/2011 2:28:13 AM PDT by kcvl
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