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Sarah Palin Welcomes Second Grandchild
FOX NY ^ | 08/08/2011 | NewsCore

Posted on 08/08/2011 6:44:54 PM PDT by Hawk720

Former Alaska governor Sarah Palin has welcomed her second grandchild, Radar Online reported Monday.

Palin's son, Track, and his new wife Britta (nee Hanson) became parents over the weekend to a baby girl, name Kyla Grace.

Track, 22, married his 21-year-old high-school sweetheart in May in a small ceremony in Hatcher Pass, Alaska.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxny.com ...


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To: muawiyah

Isaac took one wife. Rebekah.

Abraham was a monogamist until, at the urging of his wife, he took a concubine. He later sends that concubine and their son away and does not take a wife until Sarah dies.

Jacob takes two wives and two concubines; he was a polygamist, and his polygamy led to much grief, jealousy and pain.

In none of their cases is it recorded that they “tested” out their wives prior to marriage to determine their fertility.

David and Solomon took many wives, but their examples are not held up for emulation. Solomon’s wives turn him away from the Lord, and David arranges for the husband of a married woman he takes to his bed to be murdered.

There is no “commandment” for testing for fertility anywhere in Scripture.

None of the people mentioned “tested first” for the purpose of determining fertility, and you have yet to establish any ancient people who had the custom of “testing” a young woman’s fertility before marrying her.

You have made claims without backing them up, and you have distorted what Scripture records about the examples you have held up.


141 posted on 08/09/2011 3:53:43 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

“I know perfectly well that people have sex before marriage “certainly more so nowadays at a time when mores have become so loose that even conservatives have given up on them and joined the opposition in celebrating uncontrolled sexual behavior. “

Speaking for myself, I believe that they sinned in sleeping together before marriage, but they did not compound their sin by refusing to take responsibility for it.

I celebrate their decision to marry and raise their daughter legitimately.


142 posted on 08/09/2011 4:04:22 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito

“Speaking for myself, I believe that they sinned in sleeping together before marriage, but they did not compound their sin by refusing to take responsibility for it.

I celebrate their decision to marry and raise their daughter legitimately.”

Well stated...I would agree.


143 posted on 08/09/2011 4:09:07 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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To: Immerito
Hey, 17th century Italy ~ that's hardly ancient. Your complaint was there's simply no record of this sort of behavior BUT THERE IS.

I think your problem in this discussion is that you believe the ELITES behave in a certain manner according to all sorts of details of religious belief (which they certainly don't) and that peasants simply don't count (but they do).

http://www.understandingyourancestors.com/ar/parishBirth.aspx provides a taste of what folks who indulge in the practice of GENEALOGY encounter all the time ~ the red-headed step chilluns and the baby with no baby-daddy ~ PLUS ~ delayed marriage.

That piece is about Germany. You try rural Russia back in the 18th century and it's a whole 'nuther story.

To show equitible treatment of the topic here's France http://www.jstor.org/pss/3787470

I'm not sure what you want to believe about our ancestors ~

144 posted on 08/09/2011 4:19:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GR_Jr.

The left would whole heartedly embrace Trak and his wife if they had decided upon an abortion. People have sex! Oh my gosh - that should be national headlines! Oh, the scandal of it all. Sure, its better to wait until marriage, but, very few do nowadays - even Christians. Its sad, but, true. At least they got married.


145 posted on 08/09/2011 4:37:32 PM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Catsrus
The left would whole heartedly embrace Trak and his wife if they had decided upon an abortion

I still think Tony Weiner could make a comeback if Huma would do a partial birth abortion on pay per view and contribute the proceeds to the party.

146 posted on 08/09/2011 4:40:32 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: muawiyah

The presence of illegitimate children or the practice of premarital sex does not establish your argument of a cultural standard that a man slept with a woman for the purpose of determining her fertility before marriage. That is the claim which you have, so far, failed to establish.

Since you have stated that there is a “record of this sort of behavior”, I’m sure that the appropriate primary source(s) will soon be forthcoming.

Perhaps instead of assigning beliefs to other posters, you should back up your own beliefs with evidence, not assertions.


147 posted on 08/09/2011 4:46:41 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito
Speaking for myself, I believe that they sinned in sleeping together before marriage, but they did not compound their sin by refusing to take responsibility for it.
I celebrate their decision to marry and raise their daughter legitimately.

I don't call it sin, but I don't think it's the right thing to do. It's kind of like drinking and driving. When I was young (and the laws were much more lax) my friends and I would get shit-faced drunk then get behind the wheel of a car and drive all over creation, risking our own lives and those of others. Only by the grace of God did nothing ever happen to me. Would anyone think that because I had done that I could counsel my children that getting drunk and driving was anything other than reckless, stupid and even immoral? Of course not! Was I a hypocrite? Of course! Did I care that I was a hypocrite? No! :-)

It's good that those young people did the right thing, and of course we hope that everything turns out well for them. Frequently, however, and perhaps most of the time, things don't turn out so well (take, for example, Palin's older daughter). In those cases everyone suffers, but it's usually the child who suffers most.

148 posted on 08/09/2011 4:49:15 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Immerito
Perhaps they were all Biblical scholars and examined each and every word a dozen times and arrived at nothing but Godly conclusions.

I think they were more concerned with not getting stuck with an infertile woman.

149 posted on 08/09/2011 5:37:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WorldviewDad
your right dad...it is NONE of my business...
and I apologize for that...

BUT then again..Track Palin private life is NONE of your business either.

tit for tat..mox-nix whatever.

150 posted on 08/09/2011 6:41:48 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: muawiyah

Thank you for acknowledging that you are merely giving your unsubstantiated opinion, and have no “record of this sort of behavior”.

Am I to assume that your earlier claim—that multiple societies engaged, as a cultural norm, in the practice making sure that a woman was fertile before proceeding to enter matrimony—is also an unsubstantiated opinion?


151 posted on 08/09/2011 8:20:28 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito
You have apparently never read about Sumer and Babylon.

(Saved my big dogs for last eh).

152 posted on 08/10/2011 6:51:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

According to which primary sources is it recorded that Sumerian and Babylonian men, as a culture, did not marry until they had determined the fertility of a prospective wife?


153 posted on 08/10/2011 6:58:59 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: Immerito
The Sumerians, of course, have ALL the primary sources ~ the Babylonians are latecomers (all things considered).

Do you not recall when you would sit your daughter out on the road to receive the coin?

Hmm. Such a short memory.

Even the Bible ~ a really really really recent document by Sumerian standards, condemns the practice.

154 posted on 08/10/2011 7:18:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

It seems that you do not know what a primary source is.

A primary source has nothing to do with which civilization was first present.

A primary source is source material about a source that is closest to what is being examined. In this case, a translation of a tablet or other Babylonian or Sumerian writings or any other artifacts from either civilization which establish the “practice” you have claimed—that men, as a cultural norm, tested their potential bride’s fertility before marriage.

So, the Sumerians would not “have all the primary sources”. That claim is ludicrous and undermines your credibility.

Where does the Bible condemn the practice of giving one’s daughter to a man so that he could test her fertility, as you have claimed? Where does the Bible indicate such a practice was in occurrence?

No doubt, you will be able to provide actual names of primary sources documenting this practice.


155 posted on 08/10/2011 7:40:03 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: muawiyah

Abraham got into trouble by not trusting God to provide the promised child. He tested the fertility of Hagar, and now we have Mideast mess.


156 posted on 08/10/2011 8:25:11 AM PDT by TheDingoAteMyBaby
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To: TheDingoAteMyBaby

The Arabs are not the descendants of Ishmael. That is a myth.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm


157 posted on 08/10/2011 11:58:31 AM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: haircutter
“BUT then again..Track Palin private life is NONE of your business either.”

And if it is none of my business, then it would also be none of yours...I believe we both received our information from the same place.

I responded to another person here and just stated that the thought crossed my mind...based upon a news article. I guess it could be considered part of his “private life” even after a news article that has been seen around the world...

158 posted on 08/10/2011 3:38:20 PM PDT by WorldviewDad (following God instead of culture)
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