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To: triumphant values
Ryan's plan was a "cut" from the baseline budget of 6.2 trillion over the next ten years. Many of us strongly criticized it here on discussion threads about it.

The debate and criticisms regarding the merits of the Ryan plan, or baseline budgeting is not the issue. You accused Palin of being unserious and unspecific about entitlement reform. The Ryan plan does in fact include a serious and specific plan on the issue of entitlement reform. Heck, the Medicare voucher program contained in the plan in and of itself clearly qualifies as a legit example of "serious entitlement reform".

102 posted on 08/08/2011 7:21:51 PM PDT by AHerald ("Do not fear, only believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: AHerald
You accused Palin of being unserious and unspecific about entitlement reform.

I did, and another Palin supporter stated that she said that Ryan's plan was a "starting point" which again makes it nebulous.

Look, you guys wouldn't take platitudes without concrete numbers from any body else, and rightfully so. But because you like her personally you'll gloss over imperfections.

I don't like her, I don't like Perry, or Romney, or Paul or Bachmann or anybody else. I don't know these people from Adam or Eve. They're not my family, they're not my friends, I've never had dinner with any of them, and they've never done anything personally for me.

I save my like for people in my life. Can you political supporters of any candidate, potential candidate or office holder grasp that?

I just consider it prudent conservatism to be skeptical of those seeking power and to criticize them relentlessly. If they know they have a base of support regardless that only makes it easier to betray. Haven't we learned our lesson with the Bushbots and Obamatons?

Even George Washington was savaged, often by other founders. That's what your supposed to have in a constitutional republic. You want to be on top, you better expect some of us to kick that ladder.

109 posted on 08/08/2011 7:37:03 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: AHerald

I thought Ryan’s plan was good on the social security and medicare issue. It wouldn’t solve the problem immediately, but that problem cannot be solved immediately. It would have protected those 55 and older who have counted on those plans and those who are already receiving benefits.

Possibly the age could be increased to 57 1/2 or 58 but not much.

It is a realistic plan and would eventually solve this problem which no one else seems to want to tackle at all.

And I think Palin gets it completely. Some people here are focusing on semantics but what good difference does it make what exact words you use if you’re a liar like Obama or someone who bounces in the wind like Romney.


118 posted on 08/08/2011 8:12:37 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry or Palin/Rubio)
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