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When is a gun concealed? New law clarifies accidental weapon exposure issue; goes into effect Oct. 1
The St. Augustine Record (Fla.) ^ | August 7, 2011 | RYAN BUFFA

Posted on 08/08/2011 11:04:43 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

As to your “urban conditions”, you liberal clown: blacks account for 21% of the population, yet urban blacks commit 54% of gun murders. Were it not for your “urban conditions”, many wouldn’t have to carry their gun everywhere they go.


21 posted on 08/08/2011 12:29:22 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: neverdem
A Florida law that goes into effect in two months expands the rights of gun-toters, allowing them to carry a concealed firearm that might be exposed to the ordinary sight of another person.

Uh, no, rather it enforces the original intent of the CCW legislation and protects "gun-toters" from malicious, opportunistic, or misguided prosecution ("getting the Nifong"). Moron.

22 posted on 08/08/2011 12:41:35 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: neverdem
A Florida law that goes into effect in two months expands the rights of gun-toters, allowing them to carry a concealed firearm that might be exposed to the ordinary sight of another person.

Ah, so it's perfectly OK for you to force YOUR perceived solutions on rural communities, but for them to force stuff on you is out-of-bounds, then?

23 posted on 08/08/2011 12:50:54 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: WayneS
How insulting! I'm an NRA member; and I don't care about your urban conditions; and I assure you I had NOTHING to do with passing this law!

Maybe there's another one. ;-)

24 posted on 08/08/2011 12:52:46 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GreenvillePatriot
As in someone openly carrying a firearm in a town or a city may make the citizens uneasy.

And which party is responsible (and so if they're offended by the solution, too bad) for the 100 years of statist rights-suppression that led to that situation?

25 posted on 08/08/2011 12:55:30 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Huh? Led to what situation? The situation where someome may feel uncomfortable seeing someone carrying a gun openly? Didn’t know that was party specific.


26 posted on 08/08/2011 12:59:32 PM PDT by GreenvillePatriot
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To: GreenvillePatriot
Huh? Led to what situation? The situation where someome may feel uncomfortable seeing someone carrying a gun openly? Didn’t know that was party specific.

Well, it may not be, but it's certainly specific to statist vs. freedom loving pols. Particularly in the South, Dems are responsible for gun control, as they passed nominally color blind laws prohibiting all sorts of gun-related rights exercise including CCW, which were intended and enforced in such a way as to make sure newly freed blacks were defenseless.

As time went on, the laws began to be interpreted literally and enforced more equally upon everyone. One can't help but assume that that effect of that, coupled with the way the government-friendly leftist media treats guns and gunowners has largely contributed to people's discomfort with guns in public in the hands of those other than their tax-paid employees (isn't THAT an odd inversion of logic?).

27 posted on 08/08/2011 1:11:37 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GreenvillePatriot
My contention is that it's at least partly a government-induced situation and thence may not be used to justify restrictions on the rest of us or empowerment of the government.

Like SCOTUS ruling that machine guns need not be treated as "in common use" when they were very much in common use till THE GOVERNMENT made it so onerous that no one bothered anymore.

See the circularity? FAR too convenient and tempting to entrust to someone with the ethics of a politician.

28 posted on 08/08/2011 1:16:56 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: neverdem
Keep and BEAR shall NOT be INFRINGED.

7 little words. None of which require the murkier recesses of an unabridged dictionary to discern the meanings thereof.

None of this legalistic crap would be needed if we just applied the Second Amendment as it was designed.

29 posted on 08/08/2011 1:18:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: Still Thinking

I agree that the laws and demonizing of guns has made that perception in people. I also think that people get nervous around guns because of gun violence alone too.


30 posted on 08/08/2011 1:18:31 PM PDT by GreenvillePatriot
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To: GreenvillePatriot

Another example would be the poking their nose unConstitutionally and unwelcome into healthcare, then justifying restrictions on what we may or may not do because the taxpayers are funding our healthcare.


31 posted on 08/08/2011 1:18:56 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: GreenvillePatriot
I also think that people get nervous around guns because of gun violence alone too.

I'm sure there's some truth to that as well, but it should become less and less connected the more people see the law abiding going about armed.

32 posted on 08/08/2011 1:20:23 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Joe Brower

The real mayor there, Shirley Gibson, I think she also ran for Meek’s seat (our critter), has actually done a great job for Miami Gardens by cleaning up the city which is a neighboring city to ours north of county line road. Joe Robbin Stadium resides there together with Calder racetrack


33 posted on 08/08/2011 1:55:20 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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this is about removing all the illegal to florida laws from the local rules.

many of these local idiots pass gun laws with full knowledge that they can not be enforced. They do it for feel good PR. You can never know the laws as they change from county to county.

This will neuter the leftists and ths socialists.


34 posted on 08/08/2011 2:08:26 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Dead Corpse

Minnesota did it right when they wrote their statute....

“on or about one’s person or clothing.”

Your cover garment blows in the wind....

No big deal.


35 posted on 08/08/2011 2:10:42 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: neverdem
Amazing how the supreme law of the land is simply ignored in all of this.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

36 posted on 08/08/2011 2:14:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('One useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.' - -John Adams)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Unless some idiot liberal calls 911 anyway and the gun-hating cop that shows up thinks maybe there is enough to warrant a "disturbing the peace" arrest.

And yes, it has happened.

37 posted on 08/08/2011 3:43:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: neverdem
"The law also allows registered firearm owners to have weapons in their cars."

Florida has gun registration? Or registration of firearms owner?

38 posted on 08/08/2011 4:00:02 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Dead Corpse

Or a calm and reasonable person calls who simply doesn’t know carry is legal and the cops stage a major operation anyway. Carvers? Culvers?


39 posted on 08/08/2011 6:47:09 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Deaf Smith; jdege
Florida has gun registration? Or registration of firearms owner?

Florisa has had shall issue concealed carry permits since 1987.


courtesy of jdege

40 posted on 08/08/2011 7:08:50 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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