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To: maica; All

I’m going to go out on a limb and perhaps anger some of my fellow FReepers by advocating the RINO side for a moment. I think we are altogether too hard on Jon Boehner and really need to look at the political side for a moment. The single biggest problem for our side is we only control the House. We cannot have our way with this important but lonely political body as long as the democrats control the Senate and White House. However, if we are patient, we have a golden opportunity. This means biting the bullet and putting up with RINOs, half-measures, and yes, for now letting Obama “win”.

I think we can all agree that the economy is in shambles. The overall question for Americans is what we can do to get it going again. Forget why or how it got this way for a moment.

Now, I think we all agree that Obama owns this economy. Yet we’ve seen it time and again, how they still try to blame Bush. But now if they “win” on the budget this week, they will of course really own it. And the public will at least see that, looking up occasionally from their American Idol and summer fun pastimes.

Does anyone here believe the budget deal that the RINOs and democrats are proposing will solve our economic problems? If Obama gets his way and they have the debt ceiling off the table until after the election, then now this compromise damn well better work, in the eyes of the public. And let me tell you one little secret the media will not. The American people want a balanced budget. They understand that you cannot spend more than you earn. It really is a simple concept. Now, will they accept the class warfare arguments that the democrats and Obama are using to get the “rich” to pay more taxes? I don’t think so. Given the above spending analogy, the people want a balanced budget and any fool can see we spend too much. We don’t need a second job to bring in more money because we spend too much. The answer is to cut spending.

In my opinion, the democrats and Obama still do not get it. They cannot fix the economy UNTIL they really cut spending. All rhetoric aside, their ideas will NOT get the country back on its feet. The single biggest thing of course is Obamacare. Businesses are not growing because they expect one whale of a hit when that monstrosity starts.

Come next year, even the biggest voting block of independents will see this. There is only one way to get rid of Obamacare and get the economy back on its feet, and that is to fire Obama and the democrats.

So let the democrats enjoy their win. Let Obama think he is a superstar and the driveby media paint him as the Great Compromiser. Because you and I know one important fact. The economy is not going to improve until he is gone.


17 posted on 07/31/2011 5:44:46 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

I agree with you....

The numbers are already going down for Obozo...He has lost in popularity, and his numbers of black voters has dropped 20 points in these last two weeks!

The populace has seen this and heard this for weeks now, and they are getting educated in a way that the Media would have never let conservatives just ‘explain” our position. It IS working.

Be prepared to get flamed though and called a Lib and a RHINO and a troll!ha.


26 posted on 07/31/2011 5:51:31 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Alas Babylon!

My take on the last few weeks is that without the tea party the debt limit increase would have been passed without any attempt to rein in spending.


27 posted on 07/31/2011 5:52:02 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Alas Babylon!

What they can’t blame on Bush, they blame on the evil Tea Party.

lol

Just this morning on F&F, the talkingpoint of one of the guests was about ‘the Tea Party’ holding America hostage by them not approving Reid’s plan.

[Tea Party has done a lot of damage — to the political establishment. I hope we see another great flushing in 2012.]


33 posted on 07/31/2011 5:57:06 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Alas Babylon!
Bottom line, economy is not going to improve until he is gone

While that is true I am reminded of a few words that Rush uttered last week, don't recall which day but he applauded the new Tea Party Pats in the House for holding the line and forcing Boner to at least come up with more spending cuts than he originally put forth.

Boehner is old school. He was always taught to compromise and look for the deal while our new Tea Party Pats, as Rush noted, can't be bribed,bullied, don't care about committee assignments, can't be told to tow the party line or else, and don't give a ____(expletive deleted) about whether or not the get reelected!!!

IN a word they are bullet proof conservatives and Rush noted that and saluted them.I salute them as well.

41 posted on 07/31/2011 6:05:32 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Alas Babylon!
In my opinion, the democrats and Obama still do not get it. They cannot fix the economy UNTIL they really cut spending. All rhetoric aside, their ideas will NOT get the country back on its feet. The single biggest thing of course is Obamacare. Businesses are not growing because they expect one whale of a hit when that monstrosity starts.

I think the Dems and Obama get it. What we are witnessing is the implosion of the welfare state, which is unsustainable. The Dems understand that their political power rests on keeping the welfare state going. The battle will be over the allocation of funding and raising revenue. In a broader sense, it will be about the role of government.

Medicare is really the cost driver now of our budget deficit. It must be reformed or it will consume our entire budget. Obamacare will add to the deficit and make matters far worse.

The irony of all of this is that if we increase job growth, which then increases tax revenue, the Dems will try to use the increased revenue to keep the welfare state afloat.

77 posted on 07/31/2011 6:52:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Alas Babylon!
There is a sense of urgency with the current situation because our debt is surpassing our annual GDP. Once we reach that point, it becomes almost impossible to recover.

The victory that Republicans must strive for is to balance the budget now - something that is not even being discussed in this current debate. As this fiscal year comes to an end, the House must come up with a budget that is in balance, and they need to stick to it. And as long as it is in balance, it doesn't matter what the debt ceiling is. Financial markets will be pleased, and as bonds are retired, those dollars will suddenly be available for business ventures and other investments. The economy will immmediately rebound in spite of Obama and the Democrats. And America will know that it was the TEA Party Republicans that saved the country.

109 posted on 07/31/2011 7:14:50 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Alas Babylon!

.......”In my opinion, the democrats and Obama still do not get it. They cannot fix the economy UNTIL they really cut spending. All rhetoric aside, their ideas will NOT get the country back on its feet.”.......

Do we believe as a lot here at FR that “THEY”, the Socialist-Democrats, THE RADICAL Left actually want to “get the country back on its feet”?

I don’t believe it for a minute. I believe Obama’s job, the job his handlers prepared him for is to destroy this Nation. Take us down to the level of the Third World.

NO MATTER WHAT we aren’t going to see change of any kind for the better until we are rid of Obama, his handlers, his radical associates, and we burn down every bridge the Left has built, is building to their tyranical NWO.

From now until election this man’s actions have to be stopped by the only warriors we have on the front, and that’s the House Republicans. We cannot allow this bastard more money by raising the debt ceiling to fund his radical direction.

We cannot allow him that win.

Where am I wrong? What am I missing?


142 posted on 07/31/2011 7:36:53 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
"If Obama gets his way and they have the debt ceiling off the table until after the election, then now this compromise damn well better work, in the eyes of the public.."

A couple of thoughts on this, AB.....1) I'm no longer convinced this makes any difference, given Obie's falling poll numbers and the certainty of a worsening economy. 2) Obie and the dems must think it's a losing issue for them in the election season, but the way pubbies have handled it this month, it's not a clear winner for us either.

It should be a clear winner for us, and can be with the Paul/Mack "penny plan" which is so clear and simple, America will gobsmack our collective foreheads and ask "Why didn't we do this before?"

155 posted on 07/31/2011 7:44:52 AM PDT by chiller ( EVERY Democrat on EVERY level must go)
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To: Alas Babylon!
I’m going to go out on a limb and perhaps anger some of my fellow FReepers by advocating the RINO side for a moment.

Spot. On.

Let the Wookie's husband win and then watch what happens. The Republicans are very good at walking into every trap that is set for them. Let's go ahead and try to develop some trapping skills of our own.

Great post, AB.

168 posted on 07/31/2011 7:56:09 AM PDT by don-o (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Don’t count me among those who would be angered by your arguments. I agree with you!

I have this suspicion that this issue is what will force Sarah’s hand. I’m already waiting anxiously for her labor day keynote at the Tea Party event in Iowa. She’ll run against ALL of establishment Washington, Dems and, especially, RINOs.


193 posted on 07/31/2011 8:34:11 AM PDT by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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To: Alas Babylon!

So... let the crybaby Marxist, Narcissist have his way so he has can take his expensive vacations, campaign and travel on AF1 nonstop without having to feel guilty or have people talk about it. That’s what this is really all about. He cares about one thing and one thing only.... make it go away so it doesn’t interfere with his vacations and campaigning. Whatever else is in it is irrelevant and he would sign it in a second. However, the Senate won’t. They don’t want their spending spree cut. Barry the Kenyan couldn’t care less. All that matters to him is that is goes away until after 2012 so he can have a free for all through the next election.

I say NO! But don’t worry, rest assured Boehner will cave, and probably cry a little and the Kenyan will be pleased and the media will say the one won again.


202 posted on 07/31/2011 8:44:22 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: Alas Babylon!; rodguy911
Cut spending is one of the keys but the real key drag on our economy is high energy prices.

High Energy prices, fostered by President 0’s nusy “green” policies, are killing the US, and thus the World, Economy.

Every single GOP candidate should be saying “a Policy of US Energy Independence” in every speech from now to Nov 2012.

High Energy prices have an radically negative effect on the economy. High energy prices destroy US Consumer Confidence and they eat up US Consumer’s discretionary spending dollars.

US Consumer spending is the engine that drives the World Economy. Without it any economic recovery will be anemic at best.

High energy prices effect not only the price of gasoline, but also the price of every good and service the consumer buys. It also drives up the price of the energy the consumer buys to power their homes. It drives up the costs for producers to produce the goods US Consumers buy.

Until the cost of energy is addressed the US, and the world, economic recovery is going to be stagnant at best.

224 posted on 07/31/2011 9:10:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Alas Babylon!; Miss Marple

BRAVO, AB! I couldn’t have said it better. BTW, I don’t think you’re advocating the RINO side. I think it’s the pragmatic, realistic side, with open eyes focused on the ultimate prize - to get &^*#@! BHO O-U-T. Like you, I believe we’re right on track to accomplishing that now.

(And don’t forget those state lawsuits on Obamacare that will hit the SCOTUS well before next November - it’s so clearly unconstitutional that a ruling otherwise would be a blatant travesty in the public’s eyes.)


314 posted on 07/31/2011 11:31:52 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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