Posted on 07/30/2011 9:31:20 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
Why do I have this sinking feeling that we are gonna get screwed again?
“Why do I have this sinking feeling that we are gonna get screwed again?”
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Maybe because we are.
Whatever deal is reached, there will most likely be a rise in the debt ceiling, new or increased taxes and only a few token spending cuts. None of the plans I’ve seen as of today go far enough to really relieve or end the crisis. At best, some of these items will be a temporary patch — won’t address the real problems long term.
Boehner did not allow anything. Harry Reid would NOT allow a vote on the House bill in the Senate and the Democrats all voted no in the House. Obama said he would veto it. Boehner and House Republicans tried. Nothing will get done unless the Republicans take control of the Senate and President. Keep that in mind.
Democratic and Republican Congressional sources involved in the negotiations tell ABC News that a tentative agreement has been reached on the framework of a deal that would give the President a debt ceiling increase of up to $2.4 trillion and guarantee an equal amount of deficit reduction over the next 10 years.There is NO DEAL. At least not yet. Nobody has voted on this.The details are still being worked out, and a senior White House aide tells ABC News, "talks continue but there is no deal to report."
Congressional leaders plan to brief their members on the framework tomorrow. The reaction from both parties' rank-and-file will determine whether this tentative deal becomes a final deal.
I could. I wouldn't have raised the debt ceiling. Next.
I don't get that argument. So what if he says he'll veto it. Let him right? That veto would cost him dearly and I doubt he has the guts. At the very least, the House should have just sat back UNTIL CCB was voted on in the Senate.
IMHO, Boehner caved when he held all the cards. These guys acted inept. But since they are not, it follows that it was pure sham for public consumption. The only reason we got to see Act IV was because of the Tea Party.
I am starting to disagree with this meme. I really think that this idiot has totally destroyed any good will he may have had. Even if we get a bump in the economy, which I think is impossible, people will be tired of his BS. I can't tell you how many people I run into in business who generally only talk about sports feel compelled to say something derogatory about this dope.
I just wish that we could do this Kabuki dance one more time before the election. Just look how Obummers numbers bottomed out on this. It would be a good thing.
In a couple weeks, this bill and the ratings, etc will be forgotten by most - but the NO JOBS won't and hopefully people and the media can start paying attention to the real scandal - gun running by the administration to Mexico, Honduras, etc - resulting in deaths on both sides of the border...
Also off the radar has been the disaster in Libya -
The WH & his media have used the debt crisis perfectly to redirect attention - everyone swallowed it - They've even got y'all all wee-weeed up over our Boehner instead of Holder and O'Bumbles and the very real crimes involved in the gun running across borders.
Cloward and Piven ride again..
Issa's hearings and investigation should at least have had 'equal billing' - but it's been shoved off on the back burner - he had some powerful testimony this week, for example, from our agents who were stationed in Mexico - They got lost in the news and if 1 out of 1,000 people heard it - I'd be surprised. Those testimonies are now past history - will the whole thing get buried because the Sheeple put 100% attention to where the media and the libs point?
WAKE UP AND WATCH THE OTHER HAND
I'm starting to think that this same Kabuki dance won't be done the same way if this deal being reported is the ral one because it looks like Hussein is deserting his left-wing base (except for demogoguing the gay issue which he will continue to do).
I'm starting to think he's going to go for the middle more now (the Triangulation MO a la Clinton) because he knows he can't get tax hikes, wildly increased spending, etc. any more. His only hope is to veer toward the center...completely contrary to his ideology but his only hope for re-election.
I agree.. The repubs picked a fighting point that Zero insisted upon, and was that this debt ceiling increase would take us through 2012...The main thing our side won,, and it was a HUGE win, was NO tax increases. In the meantime, Zero has done huge damage to his brand... the Obama dream brand... he is so over.. everyone including dems are sick to death of the guy.
Unless we see a miracle happen in the next year, he is toast.
Reid hads to postpone the debate. Lautenberg couldn’t stay awake any longer..
I don't see it. As early as this week, Obummer blew up the Boner compromise by throwing in massive tax increases. He can't help himself and effectively moved to the left of Harry Reid. Either the Regime knows they are cooked in the reelection or they are incompetent. Both are fair assumptions.
NO tax increases IS NOT A WIN.
The Democrats had total control of government for 2 years and for 10 of those months filibuster proof majority in the Senate.
THEY NEVER RAISED TAXES.
They didn’t want to. It loses votes. That’s why they gave it away before negotiations really started.
THEY DON’T WANT TO RAISE THEM IF THEY HAVE TO DO IT STANDALONE.
So having no tax increase is not a win.
Boehner just allowed a debt ceiling past Jan. 2013 to save Obama`s ass ?
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i think Boehner did. even if not deliberate.
and in 2 years, Obama spend more than Bush did in 8.
there is no reason to subsidize such spending in a recession!
it is killing our country, and our children’s future !
another 2.8 trillion for Obama to spend ? insanity.
and because the GOP used Obama’s baseline, instead of say 2006, they have agreed to increase the National Debt by 9 TRILLION more, in the next 10 years,
and guaranteed we lose our AAA rating.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2756478/posts
2011 Q2 GDP - The Numbers Don’t Add Up (We have never really left recession)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2756453/posts
Moody’s: Neither debt plan protects the nation’s AAA rating
cutting the budget NOW, even by hitting the debt ceiling, would have been better than winning the WH in 2013,
with a crippled economy, and a 17.5 trillion debt.
If it's going to be left to some 'commission', then what in the heck do we have Congress for? This so-called 'deal' looks like it came straight out of the White House. The Dems are playing Good-cop-bad-cop, and the stupid Republicans are falling for it.
For the umpteenth time, forget about ten years from now. Raise the debt ceiling to cover the remainder of the current fiscal year, and submit a balanced budget for the upcoming fiscal year. Why is that so difficult for our well-paid legislators to grasp?
It's because we are getting screwed again.
BS. If this is true, 0bama now owns cuts all forms of entitlement programs. How is he going to explain this to his base?
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that is EXACTLY correct.
and is why we should NOT have increased the debt ceiling.
so that Obama would have been forced to cut back his massive spending increase, and try to placate his OWN competing interest groups.
now, with a 2.8 trillion increase, he can keep spending, and keep HIS base united going into 2012.
not increasing the debt ceiling now, was our ONLY chance to get big spending cuts now (to avoid AAA downgrade).
OR, to put the blame totally on Obama, for 2012.
Now it is OUR turn to make him cry...
Vote ALL who continue to support this travesty of theft and corruption OUT OF OFFICE!
The other thing to remember is the blasting cap called the Middle East. Iran gets closer to “The Bomb” and, thanks to our “friend” Outin, they have a reactor capable of large scale plutonium manufacture and a delivery system...so the trigger can be pulled at any time before Sept 11th (which I think will be the day to watch) which may make this all a very expensive moot point...
An increase in the national debt is equivalent to an increase in taxes, just deferred perhaps, but then augmented by the interest due.
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