Posted on 07/29/2011 4:41:49 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
Statist punks.
Another freedom - lost.
I don't support republicans or democrats anymore. They both suck. They both head in the same direction, only the republicans walk a little slower.
ping for later
Big Brother is watching you.
Orwell was absolutely right about those drawn to the possibilities for control of others furnished by a career in government.
His timetable was a little off, that’s all.
Meanwhile, the Founders would be retching their lunches.
They have all they need right now. They get a court order and then thye can request the ISP stream the data to law enforcement (CALEA) going forward for anyone. That is the current process and that is all they need. There is absolutely no rationale for grabbing all this data on everyone.
More spending, more power, and more control. The republicans are the same as the democrats. They just move slower, so fewer people notice.
actually, that picture is kinda creepy...
but i’m SURE that Obama would NEVER let that info be misused,
(unlike Hillary, with her files laying around...)
Just as i’m SURE Obama would never have let 2,000 guns, including .50 sniper rifles, to go to drug gangs,
just to use it to pass more gun control laws here...
Let's be honest here - none of this is for the safety of children, finding terrorists, shutting down criminal groups, etc. It is all about feeding the intellectual property mafia. Because honestly, good luck trying to get the warrants needed to track down a pedophile or a Muslim terrorist - the court's going to demand real evidence, not a fishing expedition.
But hey, hey, hey, they'll open the floodgates for civil suits under DCMA. Because civil suits don't have to meet the same level of scrutiny that a criminal investigation does.
The (R)inos are doing the bidding of Hollywood, rather than listening to the reading of the constitution which is the authority for protecting intellectual property and inventions. FOR A LIMITED TIME that protection is extended, in exchange for that protection, the People get to own that property as payment.
Presently, limited time means lifetime + 70 years. If it's not extended again. And again. And again..
All the prior internet surveillance extensions and prior laws have survived the courts. Why won’t this? I sure wish it wouldn’t but look at what does survive the courts.
THe 4th Amendment has been trashed. Ever since cars weren’t considered having the same expectation of privacy as the person’s house. They can tap your phones and your cell phones without you knowing it. We have secret FISA courts. Why do you think this would be any different or somehow be opposed when all this other crap continues unabated?
What do you expect from a guy named LAMAR?
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“It isn’t legal for gov’t to be allowed to read our mail - why should this be legal?”
The courts have previously decided that it’s OK for the FedGov to keep a record of who you call, without them recording or listening to the actual conversation.
The government can (and probably does) keep track of who you send mail to (by OCR’ing the envelopes as they are processed). It’s an offshoot of the mail processing system, they read the To and From address to route mail. Keep a record of that, and you know commo paths. They don’t read the mail, just who’s sending and receiving.
Just extend that to the Internets- keep track of packet requests and packet deliveries, associated with a person. Ignore content, just who sends, who receives.
Ever notice how quick government gets a hold of Facebook and Myspace and so on information when somebody screws up? Even if the alleged perp uses a phony login? They are doing it now, they just want to do it better and more formally and more permanently.
Voting in real Americans will help curb this skeevy behaviour.
Their thinking is that it is not a 4th amendment violation as long as it takes a judges OK to actually look at the data. Merely collecting it is an innocuous activity in their twisted minds.
The gov has had an ongoing war against anonymity and encryption for a long time now. They tried to outlaw strong encryption once and we narrowly escaped that fate.
Tor is useful but be aware of the limitations of it because the gov is almost certainly monitoring as many Tor traffic servers as they can. They are watching for correlations between when someone joins the Tor network and trying to match that with the plain text data popping out from the last Tor sever in the chain. All data is encrypted from your PC to the last server but is in the clear from the last one to the site you are connecting to...of course if the last connection is to a site using SSL then you are encrypted all the way through. FreeRepublic really really should be running SSL so when using Tor nothing is in the clear. Free Republic also has the same weakness that most other forums do...it is pitifully easy to gather up all the ip addresses of all the users...anyone can do it, you can do it even if you have very limited IT skills. Once you have the ip’s it’s easy to mount attacks on the computers behind the addresses.
For best security leave Tor running always, this makes it harder to match your sign on to the traffic exiting the final link. And for max security run a Tor server because then they cannot discern your traffic from the other traffic you are handling.
This is related to a recent post of mine re cell phone data...I repeat that text below.
There almost certainly is an archive of cell location data.
It’s also very likely that all cell calls are archived as encrypted data files....ditto for land-line calls.
The idea is that it is not really a 4th amendment violation as long as only a federal judge can order the data decrypted so it can be listened to. These judicial orders are made in secret. This is all Patriot Act fallout.
This is the reason the gov fought so damned hard to ensure cell encryption was insecure. If they had to decrypt each call before they could re-encrypt and archive they would soon run out of the computer power required to keep up with the data volume. They also took steps to ensure no cell phone model was allowed to use the internal processor to add a 2nd layer of hard encryption to the data stream. It would be child’s play to add this 2nd layer and do public key encryption for all calls...but this would make it impossible to archive the cell system data.
It does not take a genius to figure out that the only reason to fight so hard against a more secure cell system is because they are archiving all the data. They would not even allow weak encryption to be added. This is because even weak encryption would overtax the systems they would employ to decrypt all the cell data. Weak encryption would not in any way hamper a valid warrant to monitor a cell users calls... it’s easy to decrypt weakly encrypted data of small volume...but a layer of weak encryption would mean they would never be able to decrypt all the cell data in real-time and that’s what was most important.
> “victory for conservative Republicans” [article]
I don’t see how that can be so when nearly everybody here opposes it.
I forgot to add this. Leave Tor running at least a while after starting it up before you actually use it to visit sites. And USE the New Identity function often to keep switching the sever that the final hop exits from. After using the New Identity function it may be necessary to open a new browser window and then close the old one to ensure an ip change. The Tor browser bundle is the smart way to go for those new to the system....it’s super easy to use.
Read the sections on the Tor site about the limitations and how best to use Tor. A word to the wise is sufficient.
Though their motives might differ, there are people from one end of the political spectrum to the other who’d love to be able to track every word everyone speaks or types, and ever step they take and every penny they spend. And there are conservatives who want this as well as some leftists.
And this Lamar Smith from Texas character doesn’t seem like the great conservative some represent him to be. He’d also recently drafted legislation many thought would gut any attempt by the states to enforce immigration laws (a bill he worked with the Chamber of Commerce to draft).
The 19 to 10 vote represents a victory for conservative Republicans, who made data retention their first major technology initiative after last fall’s elections, and the Justice Department officials who have quietly lobbied for the sweeping new requirements, a development first reported by CNET.
Probably the same idiots who supported Janet Naplotiano’s Homeland Security Department and the “Patriot” Act.
More power for Obama and his minions, more Federal Jobs, and More intrusion into the lives of patriotic Americans by an already over zealous law-0enforcement establishment.
I’ve considered using Tor, but if I’m not mistaken, ISPs will know I’m accessing some Tor servers even if they don’t know exactly where I end up on the net. I have to wonder if using Tor itself would put me under more suspicion than just letting them see where I’m going (which at this time probably won’t cause me much trouble).
If I were an oppressive regime, I’d keep track of persons who use anonymizers (or addresses whose subscribers seem to be using them), and when in doubt round them up.
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