Posted on 07/29/2011 7:33:04 AM PDT by RobinMasters
Attorney, doc experts to show up at Hawaii Department of Health with court document
Computer scanning expert Doug Vogt and typesetting expert Paul Irey say they will accompany attorney Orly Taitz when she presents to the Hawaii Department of Health a subpoena that should allow her to examine Barack Obama's original 1961 typewritten birth certificate.
Vogt and Irey both told WND they are making travel plans to join Taitz in Honolulu when she goes to the state agency at 10 a.m. on Monday, Aug. 8, to present the subpoena in person.
"We will plan to hold a press conference late in the day of Aug. 8," Vogt said, "and if the document we see varies from the birth certificate documents the White House released, we plan to file criminal charges in Hawaii immediately."
Get the New York Times best-seller "Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama Is Not Eligible to be President," by Jerome Corsi.
Vogt shared with WND a copy of a letter he has written to Hawaii Attorney General David Louie, putting Louie on notice regarding the reasons he believes the birth certificate released by the White House is fraudulent.
WND previously reported on Vogt's decision to file a 22-page criminal complaint with the FBI.
Irey says it won't take long to evaluate the original birth record, if it exists.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
A Hawaiian federal court clerk signed the subpoena in support of the DC circuit court FOIA case of Taitz v. Astrue, Social Security Administration.
Foreign adoption of a minor child who is a US citizen does not void US citizenship.
If he were a US citizen on August 4, 1961 and if he did not renounce that citizenship after his 18th birthday, then whatever Lolo did or did not do is meaningless.
I Believe Sven Magnussun pointed out that a Child can relinquish his American citizenship, but it can be restored at a later date. If this is so, it might not affect his rights as a "citizen" but it might very well affect his "Natural Born Citizen" status. If it is given up and not reclaimed by age of maturity, and if an "Affirmative Act" of allegiance is made to another nation, it can hardly be argued that such a person would not have a "divided allegiance" which is pretty much the entire purpose of the Article II clause.
Anyway, Sven has cited the process by which an American Child can lose his citizenship.
I don't know. She may get rebuffed, and have to go back and get a specific order from the Judge. She may get cooperation, and may be shown the original copy and it may look just like what we've seen so far. She may get cooperation, and may discover that something is amiss. She may get rebuffed, and be unable to get a court order from the Judge.
I find any of the four possible outcomes plausible at this point.
What Indonesia allows has NOTHING to do with young Barry's US citizenship. Either he had it, or he didn't.
If he was a US citizen before SAD met Lolo, then he was a US citizen after he was adopted by Lolo.
Whether that is true or not, an Adoption under Indonesian law might cause potential legal problems back in Hawaii, thereby necessitating legal action to straighten the mess out. I've read speculation that it was quite coincidental that Stanley Ann Dunham was in Hawaii from Indonesia at the exact same time as Barack Obama Sr. Flew into Hawaii from Kenya in 1970, the Year his Grandparents acquired custody of him. It might be that they were both there to sign over custody to the Grandparents, because subsequent to this visits, he lived with his Grandparents from then on. An Adoption by them would not have been difficult at all under these circumstances.
Are you forgetting SAD’s plea in he divorce from Lolo, regarding a child (18 years old) whom she claimed to the court Lolo was still legally responsible to aid in college funding? Would only Lolo’s adoption of little barry make him legally responsible, or if the grandparents had adoption of little barry, could SAD make such a legal claim against Lolo?
I hate to say it but I believe Orly is making a huge mistake...why take these so called experts when what you need is a court certified Questioned Document Examiner who can properly examine the document age, inks, paper type everything and have the ability to qualify as an expert witness in court..otherwise it appears to me these two people don’t have the proper experience and credentials....whateverthey say will not be credible enough,,,,
ORLY get some help!!!
Not to worry, it will never happen.
It is a dead issue, even though it should be the top issue. Many on this forum have declared it dead, dead, dead.
Bedsides Taiz is a loon, yada, yada, yada. It is shameful how the lawyer types here have treated her.
Democrats, what about, "You have nothing to fear from this man, Barak Obama." McCain? Who by the way was complicit in the Obama's origins, coverup. There are probably many Manchurian Candidates :)
The rules say that "The clerk must issue a subpoena, signed but otherwise in blank, to a party who requests it. That party must complete it before service." You can even download the subpoena form from the Hawaii District Court website. There's no real reason to think a judge ever saw this one.
As far as I've been able to tell (by asking lawyers), when the Hawaii DOH says "No, thanks" to Orly & Co., she can then ask the judge for a motion to compel them to comply. In turn, they could ask for a motion to quash. Etc., etc. The upshot is, I'm pretty sure she's a long way from getting to see anything.
Yes, you are right. I did forget about that. Another piece of evidence supporting the Adoption theory. What does that make it, Five different pieces of evidence indicating an Adoption by his StepFather Lolo Soetoro? And on the other side to disprove it- Nada. Zilch.
I think we have to prove Obama culpable before we can worry about McCain, But if we PROVE Obama culpable, there may be no attention left over for McCain. I don't think McCain was intentionally trying to help Obama. I think McCain was worried about the political ramifications to himself of an eligibility challenge directed at Obama.
Yes. I particularly liked his order when he suggested that she was "displaying her own stupidity."
Don't see quotes like that a whole lot from the federal bench. Only with very special lawyers.
The reason I think McCain is culpable, is when they passed that stupid Sense of the Sensate Resolution, declaring himself an NBC, it originally included Obama’s name. Why was it removed?
ORLY get some help!!!
I agree with you. Remember how Corsi said an employee within the Dept of Health told him a birth certificate for Obama was slipped into the books in February?
If that's true, then they will find in the books a birth certificate that looks exactly like what was released by the White House.
I did not know that. Do you have a iink for that information?
You guys are partly right and partly wrong.
The 18 year-old test that Jim is referring to was not in the law at the time Obama turned 18. The courts at the time looked to whether the child was old enough to understand what he was doing in relinquishing US citizenship. Probably gets us close to the same thing, though perhaps he could be only 17 or even 16 and know what he was doing in the eyes of a court.
So let’s say Soetoro did adopt Obama, as what evidence we have suggests, and Obama did gain Indonesian nationality at that time. That would not cause him to lose his US citizenship at that time.
The fact that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship is relevant to Obama in the following way. Assuming the court decides Obama is old enough to know what he is doing in relinquishing US citizenship, the next question for a court is whether he really did intend to relinquish citizenship.
This can be a difficult question in a case where both countries allow dual citizenship. A court might say, yes he did something to affirm allegiance to the other country, but maybe his intention was to continue to be a dual citizen, as allowed by both countries.
In the case where the other country does not allow dual citizenship, then the intention question becomes much clearer. In that case, if the subject intended to affirm allegiance to the other country, then he necessarily intended to relinquish alligience to the US.
Because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship, if Obama did something after he was old enough to know what he was doing that affirmed allegiance or nationality to Indonesia, such as obtain or renew an Indonesian passport, or maybe even just holding himself out as an Indonesian citizen (for example on an application for college admission or financial assistance), then he might well have lost his US citizenship automatically by that action.
What an irony it would be for those who have assisted this fraudulent bastard if he is declared ineligible due to having given up his U.S. citizenship in applying for college tuition assistance and the culpable criminals in Hawaii go to jail for their criminal complicity there.
No I don’t have a link, but it was discussed on this forum.
The joke posted on the WH website was blatantly a fraud, so the offense has already been committed. I don’t see why he can’t be indicted just for this, whether or not the original in Hawaii is obtained or not.
Barry is a criminal forger.
A lot of people are going to “disappear” over this. You can bet on it.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.