Posted on 07/28/2011 5:22:03 PM PDT by bobk333
Boehner is getting some bad advice from somebody -- i.e. the Old Republican Guard senators. He needs to start acting like a statesman instead of an old school politician. Telling people to get their asses in line is no way to compromise. That kind of rhetoric usually accomplishes just the opposite: it usually makes people dig their heels in even deeper.
What’s Boehner going do – take their appropriations away? Take their access to special interest campaign funding away?
Boehner needs to recognize that in this new era, old school appropriations and campaign funding buy-offs will not work. It is just the kind of garbage the Tea Party came to Washington to clean up. In this new era, he is dealing with a Tea Party that is honest, courageous and principled. Unlike the Old Republican Guard, who cower in fear if there is any risk they will be bashed, the Tea Party members are brave enough to stand up to the mainstream media in order to fix their government and country.
At the beginning of the Revolutionary War, King George, the British, and their Tory allies in the media denounced Tea Party supporters of that time as crazy “Yankee Doodles” who used unfair tactics, like firing their Kentucky Rifles from a distance, behind trees, instead of marching towards them in straight rows in open fields. The Tea Party equivalents in the 1700’s stood firm and continued to do what they had to do to fight for freedom and build a new country -- and in the end, they won. Similarly, the current Tea Party refuses to go along with old school tactics and politics as usual. They are willing to risk a short term disruption (like a government shutdown) in order to fix the much larger and much more important structural problems that are surely leading us to real catastrophe. The media will unleash an onslaught of venom against them, as the Tories did; they will call them crazy zealots, as the Tories did, ; they will say they are foolish to stand and fight and risk the consequences of their vigorous opposition, just as the Tory media did at the start of the Revolutionary War; but in the end, the Tea Party will win the day – they have to – and the country will be appreciative of their courage in fighting for what is right.
Boehner needs to get off his high horse and compromise with the Tea Party, who everyone (even the Democrats down deep in their hearts) knows are doing the right thing. Here is what I suggest.
It would be absolutely moronic to agree to committee-formulated spending cuts without any constraints. It would degenerate into the same silly “tax billionaires, throw grandma over the cliff” debates. If Boehner agrees to a committee without constraints, we would have to seriously question not only his political savvy, but his overall intelligence, just like when he started off the negotiations by declaring that the McConnell proposal was the backup plan. If he does that, he probably shouldn’t be the Speaker of the House.
The criteria for raising the debt ceiling in successive increments are reasonable: they just asks the Senate to *openly* debate and then vote on issues that are well specified enough to avoid the usual political games. How can anyone disagree with open debates and Senate votes, to the extent that they are willing to risk the consequences of holding up the current debt ceiling increase?
It is important that they stipulate open debates on primetime national television – no more of these closed doors commissions. It is important that they use the debt ceiling to force reasonable actions. The Republicans in the Senate are totally useless cowards, but Boehner needs to get with the program and work with the Tea Party to come up with a reasonable bill (like the one I proposed above) which will raise the debt ceiling in increments.
Just as the citizen army during the Revolutionary War used Kentucky Rifles and guerilla warfare, the Republicans need to use the debt ceiling as a weapon. The debt ceiling leverage is the only way to force the Senate to come out of their holes (like Hobbits) and address the spending problems in a serious, straightforward, non-game-playing way in order to avoid the real Armageddon we are undoubtedly headed towards.
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It’s suspected that Boeher’s staff and Reid’s staff has been working with each other all along.
I has become SO fashionable for Boehner and the rest of establishment GOP elites to snub and humiliate Tea Party members that they can’t go back on it now.
There will not be a reasonable and effective Tea Party compromise.
As such, given the rhetoric from both libtards and RINOs concerning the Tea Party, the Tea Party will continue to be vilified. =.=
The only “balanced budget amendment” going around in DC, would not require them to balance the budget.
Obama must be almost astounded that he could bring this country to the “brink” in 2.5 years. He probably thought “TRANSFORMING AMERICA” would take longer.
Unfortunately, there will be compromise and in the end, we are all going to be screwed. Obama will get his raised debt ceiling and new or increased taxes, and the spending cuts will be few and far between. In the end, nothing will be solved and the mess will continue on and on for generations to come.
Unless he compromises with them, the Tea Party members and their sympathizers must fight to make sure that Boehmer doesn't get the votes.
They have to force him to compromise.
Unless there is compromise, we will, in next year's primaries, go after any congressman who votes for the Boehmer plan.
Tell Boner to get his ass in line or it will be ours.
HOLD THE LINE!
No retreat! No Surrender! No compromise! No deal! Hold the line!
We don’t need to raise the debt ceiling. We need to put Obama and Co. on a tight leash. The House doles out the cash. The House can appropriate and release the funds at the appropriate times so that we can make the obligated payments without defaulting and without raising the debt ceiling. And the democrat senate and the president had damn well better go along with said appropriations when made or all hell will come down on their heads.
We don’t want and don’t need a super committee. Why cede away our constitutional power?
I’m not asking for any across the board percentage cuts. Just cut the fat and the pork for now. And cut the automatic increases! Start by a abolishing ObamaCare!
Do not raise the debt ceiling! We’re already too far into debt. More debt only makes the problem worse.
Hold the line on spending!!
If the Tea Party members and their sympathizers can stand firm and not give Boehner the votes, the RINOs and Democrats won't have any choice.
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I owe 92,000 Dollars.
My kids each owe $92,000 dollars and they have yet to start life.
This figure does not include any increases.
Does not include our annual tax obligations.
The compromise is default.
Since not one elected politician will ever cut any program , the compromise is to cut 100% of all programs.
Before I put all blame on the dems and Obama but at this point Boehner's going to have to take blame too... he's enjoying the spotlight so much he does not want to force the dems to accept any of the plans already voted on. I say LET OBAMA VETO the US into default if that's what Obama's going to do anyways.
Pass CCB, that is our compromise. Nothing fancy. CCB was a compromise solution
BOEHNER IS A COWARD. A CRYING COWARD. He is now threatening conservatives, trying to threaten our own people. He has unleashed the rinos to attack the tea party once again. Boner has told every one of his minions to fly and attack conservatives. I am PISSED OFF about West. That guy ....
He was rolled the last time, so his caucus is skeptical. Additionally, come Tuesday or whenever the money runs out, the US will have a balanced budget, since they can not borrow any more. So the GOP has little incentive to take a bad deal like the budget deal of spring.
There is a price to pay for taking a bad deal the last time. You lose credibility when you do. You may be willing to take another bad deal, but your caucus may not be so willing.
I hate to say it, but I don’t think this plan is much better than Boehner’s plan.
Making insufficient cuts, with the biggest to be delayed for 5 or 10 years, just doesn’t make sense. We are way deeper in the hole than than.
We need to make cuts now, and then if we win in 2012 we need to make further cuts.
What’s wrong with the bill that congress has already passed and sent to the Senate? Boehner should have stuck with that, and told the Senate to work with it, instead of pretending it doesn’t exist.
You don’t go into a compromise agreement by compromising before the bargaining has even begun. Boehner has given the Dems 3/4 of what they wanted even before Reid takes it and puts all his own stuff back in. Cap Cut and Balance makes more sense.
Cut Cap and Balance WAS a compromise.
if i hit my credit limit, with a huge debt,
the bank won’t give me 10 years to balance my budget!
CC&B ADDED trillions to the debt!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2754322/posts
Lower the Debt Ceiling
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | July 215, 2011 | Mark Thornton
“When President Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971, the national debt was $400 billion. The increase in the national debt last year alone was four times the entire debt in 1971.”
“... but by vigorous exertions in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars have occasioned, ...” - George Washington
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.”
- Thomas Jefferson
That's why I proposed that they vote on one nine months from now -- a new, hopefully more meaningful, Balanced Budget Amendment created in the House.
The Senate would openly debate it, then vote up or down on it (several months before the November elections.)
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