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Boehner needs a reasonable, effective Tea Party compromise
Tea Party Member | July 28, 2011 | Tea Party Member

Posted on 07/28/2011 5:22:03 PM PDT by bobk333

Boehner is getting some bad advice from somebody -- i.e. the Old Republican Guard senators. He needs to start acting like a statesman instead of an old school politician. Telling people to get their asses in line is no way to compromise. That kind of rhetoric usually accomplishes just the opposite: it usually makes people dig their heels in even deeper.

What’s Boehner going do – take their appropriations away? Take their access to special interest campaign funding away?

Boehner needs to recognize that in this new era, old school appropriations and campaign funding buy-offs will not work. It is just the kind of garbage the Tea Party came to Washington to clean up. In this new era, he is dealing with a Tea Party that is honest, courageous and principled. Unlike the Old Republican Guard, who cower in fear if there is any risk they will be bashed, the Tea Party members are brave enough to stand up to the mainstream media in order to fix their government and country.

At the beginning of the Revolutionary War, King George, the British, and their Tory allies in the media denounced Tea Party supporters of that time as crazy “Yankee Doodles” who used unfair tactics, like firing their Kentucky Rifles from a distance, behind trees, instead of marching towards them in straight rows in open fields. The Tea Party equivalents in the 1700’s stood firm and continued to do what they had to do to fight for freedom and build a new country -- and in the end, they won. Similarly, the current Tea Party refuses to go along with old school tactics and politics as usual. They are willing to risk a short term disruption (like a government shutdown) in order to fix the much larger and much more important structural problems that are surely leading us to real catastrophe. The media will unleash an onslaught of venom against them, as the Tories did; they will call them crazy zealots, as the Tories did, ; they will say they are foolish to stand and fight and risk the consequences of their vigorous opposition, just as the Tory media did at the start of the Revolutionary War; but in the end, the Tea Party will win the day – they have to – and the country will be appreciative of their courage in fighting for what is right.

Boehner needs to get off his high horse and compromise with the Tea Party, who everyone (even the Democrats down deep in their hearts) knows are doing the right thing. Here is what I suggest.

  1. Short term, immediate increase in the debt ceiling in exchange for Boehners spending cuts, as trivial as they might be. This will trigger a temporary debt ceiling increase enough for three months.

  2. Put constraints on the committee-created spending cuts. In three months, there should be an up-or-down vote on the bill that will trigger another temporary debt ceiling increase, enough for another three months. Constraints like the following *MUST* must be stipulated:

    1. No taxes or tax expenditure actions are to be included. Tax-related actions must be included in a separate tax reform bill (see below).

    2. The plan must require that they come up with $500 trillion in short term cuts (as scored by the CBO) and $3 trillion in cuts over the next five years and $8 trillion over the next ten years. The mix of those cuts is left to the committee

    3. At least 30% of the cuts have to come from entitlements.

    4. There *must* be an open debate: not just politicians standing by themselves talking to an empty room on C-SPAN, but formal debates on primetime, open to all the major news channels, where all sides (including the Tea Party, Progressives, Libertarians, etc) present and discuss their proposals. In the final week, the leaders of each party and their champions will debate the details of the bill.

    5. All appropriations bills in the future (including the one for 2012) will be frozen for one week and subject to scrutiny by the public and open to debate as described above during that period.

    It would be absolutely moronic to agree to committee-formulated spending cuts without any constraints. It would degenerate into the same silly “tax billionaires, throw grandma over the cliff” debates. If Boehner agrees to a committee without constraints, we would have to seriously question not only his political savvy, but his overall intelligence, just like when he started off the negotiations by declaring that the McConnell proposal was the backup plan. If he does that, he probably shouldn’t be the Speaker of the House.

  3. The House of Representatives will come up with a comprehensive Tax Reform Bill, hopefully something towards a flat tax or even replacing the income tax completely with a national sales tax. Six months from now, the Senate will vote on the bill. Before the vote, there *must* be open debate during primetime on national television. The up-or-down vote on the bill will trigger another temporary ceiling increase in three months.

  4. The House of Representatives will come up with a Balanced Budget Amendment which the Senate will vote on nine months from now. Before the vote, there *must* be open debate during primetime on national television. The up-or-down vote on the amendment will trigger another ceiling increase .

The criteria for raising the debt ceiling in successive increments are reasonable: they just asks the Senate to *openly* debate and then vote on issues that are well specified enough to avoid the usual political games. How can anyone disagree with open debates and Senate votes, to the extent that they are willing to risk the consequences of holding up the current debt ceiling increase?

It is important that they stipulate open debates on primetime national television – no more of these closed doors commissions. It is important that they use the debt ceiling to force reasonable actions. The Republicans in the Senate are totally useless cowards, but Boehner needs to get with the program and work with the Tea Party to come up with a reasonable bill (like the one I proposed above) which will raise the debt ceiling in increments.

Just as the citizen army during the Revolutionary War used Kentucky Rifles and guerilla warfare, the Republicans need to use the debt ceiling as a weapon. The debt ceiling leverage is the only way to force the Senate to come out of their holes (like Hobbits) and address the spending problems in a serious, straightforward, non-game-playing way in order to avoid the real Armageddon we are undoubtedly headed towards.

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1 posted on 07/28/2011 5:22:05 PM PDT by bobk333
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To: bobk333

It’s suspected that Boeher’s staff and Reid’s staff has been working with each other all along.


2 posted on 07/28/2011 5:24:01 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: bobk333

I has become SO fashionable for Boehner and the rest of establishment GOP elites to snub and humiliate Tea Party members that they can’t go back on it now.


3 posted on 07/28/2011 5:25:41 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: bobk333

There will not be a reasonable and effective Tea Party compromise.

As such, given the rhetoric from both libtards and RINOs concerning the Tea Party, the Tea Party will continue to be vilified. =.=


4 posted on 07/28/2011 5:27:25 PM PDT by cranked
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To: bobk333

The only “balanced budget amendment” going around in DC, would not require them to balance the budget.


5 posted on 07/28/2011 5:30:13 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: bobk333

Obama must be almost astounded that he could bring this country to the “brink” in 2.5 years. He probably thought “TRANSFORMING AMERICA” would take longer.


6 posted on 07/28/2011 5:31:47 PM PDT by radioone (Capitalism does More with Less, Government does Less with MORE...)
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To: bobk333

Unfortunately, there will be compromise and in the end, we are all going to be screwed. Obama will get his raised debt ceiling and new or increased taxes, and the spending cuts will be few and far between. In the end, nothing will be solved and the mess will continue on and on for generations to come.


7 posted on 07/28/2011 5:32:14 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: shalom aleichem
>I has become SO fashionable for Boehner and the rest of establishment GOP elites to snub and humiliate Tea Party members that they can’t go back on it now.

Unless he compromises with them, the Tea Party members and their sympathizers must fight to make sure that Boehmer doesn't get the votes.

They have to force him to compromise.

Unless there is compromise, we will, in next year's primaries, go after any congressman who votes for the Boehmer plan.

8 posted on 07/28/2011 5:32:50 PM PDT by bobk333
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To: bobk333

Tell Boner to get his ass in line or it will be ours.

HOLD THE LINE!


9 posted on 07/28/2011 5:34:20 PM PDT by McGruff (I'm with the Tea Party, not the Republican Party)
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To: bobk333

No retreat! No Surrender! No compromise! No deal! Hold the line!

We don’t need to raise the debt ceiling. We need to put Obama and Co. on a tight leash. The House doles out the cash. The House can appropriate and release the funds at the appropriate times so that we can make the obligated payments without defaulting and without raising the debt ceiling. And the democrat senate and the president had damn well better go along with said appropriations when made or all hell will come down on their heads.

We don’t want and don’t need a super committee. Why cede away our constitutional power?

I’m not asking for any across the board percentage cuts. Just cut the fat and the pork for now. And cut the automatic increases! Start by a abolishing ObamaCare!

Do not raise the debt ceiling! We’re already too far into debt. More debt only makes the problem worse.

Hold the line on spending!!


10 posted on 07/28/2011 5:34:52 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: cranked
There will not be a reasonable and effective Tea Party compromise.

If the Tea Party members and their sympathizers can stand firm and not give Boehner the votes, the RINOs and Democrats won't have any choice.

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11 posted on 07/28/2011 5:35:03 PM PDT by bobk333
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To: bobk333

http://www.youtube.com/embed/VtVbUmcQSuk


12 posted on 07/28/2011 5:35:17 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: bobk333

I owe 92,000 Dollars.

My kids each owe $92,000 dollars and they have yet to start life.

This figure does not include any increases.

Does not include our annual tax obligations.

The compromise is default.

Since not one elected politician will ever cut any program , the compromise is to cut 100% of all programs.


13 posted on 07/28/2011 5:35:30 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Let the nation collapse. DNC vote buys killed it.)
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To: cranked
If we default you can bet the media, the democrats and RINOs like Boehner will point all fingers at the Tea Party.

Before I put all blame on the dems and Obama but at this point Boehner's going to have to take blame too... he's enjoying the spotlight so much he does not want to force the dems to accept any of the plans already voted on. I say LET OBAMA VETO the US into default if that's what Obama's going to do anyways.

14 posted on 07/28/2011 5:36:13 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: bobk333

Pass CCB, that is our compromise. Nothing fancy. CCB was a compromise solution


15 posted on 07/28/2011 5:36:24 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: bobk333

BOEHNER IS A COWARD. A CRYING COWARD. He is now threatening conservatives, trying to threaten our own people. He has unleashed the rinos to attack the tea party once again. Boner has told every one of his minions to fly and attack conservatives. I am PISSED OFF about West. That guy ....


16 posted on 07/28/2011 5:37:16 PM PDT by mirkwood (Palin 12)
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To: bobk333

He was rolled the last time, so his caucus is skeptical. Additionally, come Tuesday or whenever the money runs out, the US will have a balanced budget, since they can not borrow any more. So the GOP has little incentive to take a bad deal like the budget deal of spring.

There is a price to pay for taking a bad deal the last time. You lose credibility when you do. You may be willing to take another bad deal, but your caucus may not be so willing.


17 posted on 07/28/2011 5:37:59 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: bobk333

I hate to say it, but I don’t think this plan is much better than Boehner’s plan.

Making insufficient cuts, with the biggest to be delayed for 5 or 10 years, just doesn’t make sense. We are way deeper in the hole than than.

We need to make cuts now, and then if we win in 2012 we need to make further cuts.

What’s wrong with the bill that congress has already passed and sent to the Senate? Boehner should have stuck with that, and told the Senate to work with it, instead of pretending it doesn’t exist.

You don’t go into a compromise agreement by compromising before the bargaining has even begun. Boehner has given the Dems 3/4 of what they wanted even before Reid takes it and puts all his own stuff back in. Cap Cut and Balance makes more sense.


18 posted on 07/28/2011 5:39:00 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: bobk333; all the best

Cut Cap and Balance WAS a compromise.

if i hit my credit limit, with a huge debt,
the bank won’t give me 10 years to balance my budget!

CC&B ADDED trillions to the debt!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2754322/posts
Lower the Debt Ceiling
Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | July 215, 2011 | Mark Thornton

“When President Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971, the national debt was $400 billion. The increase in the national debt last year alone was four times the entire debt in 1971.”

“... but by vigorous exertions in time of peace to discharge the debts which unavoidable wars have occasioned, ...” - George Washington

“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.”
- Thomas Jefferson


19 posted on 07/28/2011 5:39:05 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: GeronL
The only “balanced budget amendment” going around in DC, would not require them to balance the budget.

That's why I proposed that they vote on one nine months from now -- a new, hopefully more meaningful, Balanced Budget Amendment created in the House.

The Senate would openly debate it, then vote up or down on it (several months before the November elections.)

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20 posted on 07/28/2011 5:39:31 PM PDT by bobk333
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