[Sans-Culotte]

Assume Boehner’s plan passes.
- The GOP looks more reasonable, in bending to avoid default.
- Obama will have to go through this one more time before the 2012 election.
Both things could lead to enough gains that real reform could be possible.
Sometimes pragmatism isn’t all bad.

I agree. This is not the time to go for the whole enchilada. We have to get rid of Obama and the Dem majority in the Senate first. Like it or not, we cannot afford to lose a PR battle at this time and we cannot let the dems continue to ruin the economy. We have to take what we can get now and get the rest after 2012.

[glennaro]

This "pragmatic" theory fails to take into account the losses Republicans will suffer from conservatives for failing to support conservative principles (to "get along", of course).

I don't see that expanding the debt without real corresponding entitlement cuts is the path to victory in 2012.

[libs_kma]

The only thing I despise and don't trust at all about this plan is the committee. If that committee has dims on it, and it will, they will without one iota of a doubt come out for tax increases in phase 2.

So whats the plan to prevent that? If theres nothing to prevent them from getting tax increases, they will, by gaia, get tax increases.

[BlatherNaut]

“Assume Boehner’s plan passes.
- The GOP looks more reasonable, in bending to avoid default.
- Obama will have to go through this one more time before the 2012 election.
Both things could lead to enough gains that real reform could be possible.
Sometimes pragmatism isn’t all bad.”

Or maybe the marxist vetoes Boehner’s bill, leaving him holding the bag for the ensuing mess (and there would be a mess, driven by fundamentals, and exacerbated by fear and greed). Pragmatism won’t permit him to risk the consequences, so the Republicans would win this particular skirmish if the bill makes it to the marxist’s desk. Which is why Obama, Reid and Pelosi want to kill Boehner’s bill.

[tennmountainman]

We have to get rid of Obama and the Dem majority in the Senate first

We heard that same tune we the GOP controlled ALL three branches of GOVT not that long ago. And they spent like drunken sailors as well.

For people who think like u, it’s always the next fight, always the next election... it’s NEVER THE PRESENT. Never a time to draw a line in the sand. And that is why it never changes, because people who think like you always want to put off the tough choices in the future, never the present.

[I see my hands]

"Sometimes pragmatism isn’t all bad" "I agree"

Sorry, we don't have the money. No money = no time to play politics.