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Federal pay and benefits spared -- for now
GovernmentExecutive.com ^ | July 26, 2011 | Kellie Lunney

Posted on 07/26/2011 4:26:42 PM PDT by mdittmar

The House and Senate debt proposals released Monday do not contain specific provisions targeting federal employees' pay or benefits, although such spending cuts likely will be part of future proposals, observers believe.

The plans, released by House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., both endorse trillions in spending cuts that would affect agency budgets, including Defense Department spending, over the next decade. Neither proposal includes tax increases or specific cuts to entitlement programs like Medicare.

"I am pleased that neither of the two latest proposals addressing the debt ceiling and fiscal deficit calls for immediate federal retirement cuts," National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley said in a statement.

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To: muawiyah

Yeah, and it keeps you good and healthy and gives you a steady hand on the firing line.

Do you imagine actions don’t have consequences?


You’re a fedgov employee threatening to shoot me? For not wanting to destroy our nation to pay your fat pension?

Sorry, dude, but you f***ed up. You trusted the government.

Fortunately, it’s not like you got force into boxcars like others who did the same. But you might have to work for a living for a few more years like those you expect to underwrite your decades-long vacation.


61 posted on 07/26/2011 9:33:12 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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To: muawiyah

You could fire ALL the federal employees and the absence of their former salaries in the national tally would not make a mark ~ they round off things before they get to such a small number.


Bull.


62 posted on 07/26/2011 9:34:15 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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To: RockinRight

I fail to see how you can “juice” the economy by increasing the number of people without disposable income.


The money is still there. It’s just not being transferred from those who earned it (who created the wealth).


63 posted on 07/26/2011 9:35:32 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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To: muawiyah

>> They treat our retirement funds as their personal slush fund.

And USPS is required to maintain something like a 15 year pension reserve for each employee, right?


64 posted on 07/26/2011 9:35:40 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: mdittmar

“”I am pleased that neither of the two latest proposals addressing the debt ceiling and fiscal deficit calls for immediate federal retirement cuts,” National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley said in a statement.”

Well, I’m appalled! And since I’m retired military, cuts would impact me personally - but so will a refusal to cut the budget!

If you want to make a turn, you can make a small correction and let time go to work, or you can slam it full to one side. The sooner we start turning, the less painful it will be.

I personally think I will never collect Social Security. They will means test it before I hit 67, and I won’t see a cent. I would be OK with that if they would just get serious about cutting spending now before total disaster strikes.


65 posted on 07/26/2011 9:38:23 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: mdittmar

75% of Federal employees should be fired and the agencies they work for eliminated!!!


66 posted on 07/26/2011 9:40:04 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: EGPWS

You belong in a mental institution!


67 posted on 07/26/2011 9:42:00 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: RockinRight

to hell with juicing the economy, we need a depression and we need it now!

Cut off all welfare, food stamps, free housing, and free medical care.

Everyone makes their own way or they can lie down in the street and die!


68 posted on 07/26/2011 9:49:43 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Jim from C-Town
Why shrink self supporting elements when you can shrink "government per se". Social security IS NOT government. Federal pensions ARE NOT government. USDA IS government.

It should be whacked first, along with other government activities like Education, and so on.

I detect a bit of evasiveness coming from folks who I suspected didn't want to hear about the USDA thing. It's rarely mentioned here unless someone wants to whack food stamps. But it's a MORE THAN $100 billion per year deal ~ and it's all giveaways.

Parts of government that serve only to satisfy contractor's cravings for large projects probably ought to be whacked.

69 posted on 07/26/2011 11:54:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Beelzebubba

I seem to recall that earlier in the day you threatened to steal my stuff. The Castle Doctrine provides relief.


70 posted on 07/26/2011 11:56:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jim from C-Town

Having many years of fed service under my belt I can say the same.


71 posted on 07/27/2011 4:24:13 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam wants you dead.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
That is BEFORE we provide them with an office,

Check, got me one of those

work environment,

Check, I am in a work environment

Cafeteria,

No, don't have one of those.. I brown bag or go to the store deli

buildings,

Well, I don't want to work outside with the bugs and the bears

office supplies,

You begrudge me a pencil and copier paper?

sexual harassment training,

Got that in the military 30 years ago

training on how to serf porn sights eight hours a day without getting caught,

What govt office have you worked in?

six weeks vacation

I get 2 weeks a year...less than I got in the military and my last non-government job

and the hundreds of other hidden costs associated with employing a worker.

Hundreds? really?

I also make less than your $74.4K a year average

I work for National Weather Service (NOAA, Dept of Commerce)

72 posted on 07/27/2011 4:47:17 AM PDT by hattend (Its a matter of public record that I did not go to Harvard Law School, but I can add. - Sarah Palin)
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To: napscoordinator
Other than military, no government pension should ever exceed 50% of the person's highest salary (excluding overtime).

I have no pity for Federal workers. Some are hard-working, many are leeches.

They get an entire career with a good salary and great benefits, and no accountability (can't be fired) and then they retire at 70 or 80% of salary -- all paid for by tax payers.

It's got to stop.
73 posted on 07/27/2011 5:06:18 AM PDT by atomicweeder
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To: muawiyah

Totally agree with your cut list. I worked at Labor. Those there are casting about for things to do. The main focus is celebrating multiculturalism and making extreme efforts to expand the federal labor laws into the states.

I now work at DoD. We have real work to do, but Obambi will cut us back before he hits the agencies on your list.

The irony is that federal bargaining unit employees - I am not a BUE- are slaves to the Democrat Party. Yet it has screwed them with the pay freeze because it takes them for granted. DoD workers did far better under Bush.


74 posted on 07/27/2011 5:17:08 AM PDT by Belle22
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To: Jim from C-Town

As you would say.....Horse Hockey!

An office? Cafeteria? six seeks vacation? Surfing for porn? Wow, I missed all those memos. Due to budget costs, I buy my own pens and highlighters.

Stick to complaining about facts.


75 posted on 07/27/2011 5:28:33 AM PDT by Badabing Badablonde (New to the internet? CLICK HERE)
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To: atomicweeder
So, how do you get one of those? Sounds neat, really.

The Old CSRS system for federal employees gave you 80% of your high 3 after 40 years!

With an average entry age of 35, your typical Full Retiree would be 75 years of age, and would live only a couple of more years, on average.

The current system adds only 1% per year, so you'd have to be 85 years of age, on average, to get 50%.

I think the odds on that are slim eh!

How about this ~ don't drink, don't smoke, don't take dope. Keep yourself out of jail. Avoid mailing lists. That will assist you in avoiding government employees (cops and letter carriers) and you'll enjoy your own retirement that much longer. Otherwise it's gonna' be just one beatdown after another compounded with enormously heavy mail flow every day ~ gazillions of pieces of junk mail and all at your door.

76 posted on 07/27/2011 6:24:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: atomicweeder
Almost forgot ~ under CSRS, for the most part, people were subject to a mandatory retirement age of 70 ~ and with NO SOCIAL SECURITY.

Just didn't get it.

77 posted on 07/27/2011 6:26:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: atomicweeder
Oh, yeah, your kids don't inherit your federal retirement. It's a "class thing", just like social security. Most people pay most of their working lives into the retirement system and GET NOTHING.

They don't even have a minimal burial stipend ~ you die at your desk they just haul you away and send you to the landfill ~ at least with Social Security and VA they put you in a sturdy body bag!

78 posted on 07/27/2011 6:31:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EGPWS
"Government workers, especially politicians are true civil servants because they give more than they take."

You forgot the sarcasm tag.

79 posted on 07/27/2011 6:35:01 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath Is Forever.)
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To: muawiyah

I seem to recall that earlier in the day you threatened to steal my stuff. The Castle Doctrine provides relief.


You may feel entitled, but what’s still in my wallet, or not yet even earned by me isn’t “your stuff.”


80 posted on 07/27/2011 6:41:39 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Government borrowing is Taxation without Representation)
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