Norway gunman fired for 1.5 hours on island

The Daily Republic ^ | July, 23, 2011

[Freelance Warrior]

A gunman who opened fire on an island teeming with young people kept shooting for 1.5 hours before surrendering to a SWAT team, which arrived 40 minutes after they were called, police said Saturday

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Survivors of the shooting spree have described hiding and fleeing into the water to escape the gunman.

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On the island of Utoya, panicked teens attending a Labour Party youth wing summer camp plunged into the water or played dead to avoid the assailant in the assault. A picture sent out on Twitter showed a blurry figure in dark clothing pointing a gun into the water, with bodies all around him.

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Several victims “had pretended they were dead to survive,” Berzingi said. But after shooting the victims with one gun, the gunman shot them again in the head with a shotgun, he said.

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Elise said she hid behind the same rock that the killer was standing on. “I could hear his breathing from the top of the rock,” she said.

[IYAS9YAS]

How many of us could set up a group charge against an armed target, know that most of you will be shot down before you reach him?

Probably not many of us. However, anyone with even a hint of a survival instinct could organize a group of folks to distract him (yelling, running, to get his attention on them) and then another group to spring when he's likely to have less chance of shooting (while reloading, or watching the others, or switching between weapons, as he apparently did here). There would certainly be casualties, but they would more than likely be lower.

[Little Ray]

You don’t die any harder with wounds on the front than on the back. I hope I would have followed them.
Still, depending on the distance to be covered, you’d need a certain number of people to make the distance. I’m kinda results oriented that way. If I join a suicide charge, I’d like to have have some hope it will succeed.

[IYAS9YAS]

It was a miracle that Flight 93 had a few heroes aboard.

Actually, I honestly think that if the first two flights knew about the outcome (suicide rather than negotiation), or if Flight 93 had not known the results of the first two planes, they may not have reacted as they did. Once they knew they were going to be used as a huge suicide bomb, rather than bargaining chips, they chose to do something about it.

Prior to 9/11, the response was to sit down and wait for their demands.

[Little Ray]

Any guy who can do that is more than a hero - he’s a true leader of men. I’d vote for him for president no matter what party he ran under...

[gandalftb]

Here's his video, he saw himself as a Knight Templar:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=89a_1311444384

[DejaJude]

why nobody tried attacking that man?

At least one did.

Trond Berntsen, 51 An off-duty police officer who had volunteered as a security guard on Utoya. He pushed his young son to safety before he confronted Breivik and was gunned down. Stepbrother of the Crown Princess.

[D-fendr]

he saw himself as a Knight Templar:

He steals a lot from Freemasonry.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Again they’ve been conditioned since birth, just like the folks on the planes that hit the Towers and the Pentagon. It was a miracle that Flight 93 had a few heroes aboard.

Up until 9/11, if your plane was hijacked, it would have been landed at a airport, you would have been part of a standoff with authorities, but 99% of people on the plane would have lived through it.

It made sense for them to just keep their heads down.

Flight 93 was notified by various phone calls that other planes had been used as weapons to attack buildings. The people on flight 93 were aware that the rules had changed that morning and keeping your head down was going to get you killed as opposed to keeping you alive.

There were heroes on the other planes too, but they weren't aware of the rule change in time.

These kids have had the "fight" worked out of them in the "fight, flight or freeze" response. In the U.S. you likely would have seen a few "fight" responses and this may have ended minutes after it started,

[TexasRepublic]

That massacre is perfect proof of what happens to people in an unarmed society. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. I will never disarm until the government kills me.

[Dead Corpse]

When you raise sheep, don’t expect them to deal with their first wolf very well.

[Dead Corpse]

Amen...

[justa-hairyape]

The Norwegian elites whose children were at the camp learned that the people they rely upon for protection will not risk their own lives, even for children of the political class.

Very disturbing, to say the least. Either the Norwegian authorities assumed the shooter was Islamic and they had sympathies for his cause or they sympathized with a fellow Norwegian attacking this group.

[expat1000]

Ummm, I don’t know, Ray. We don’t even know what kind of weapons he had at this point except at least one handgun and one long gun, but he was reloading a lot - we do know that, so that would have presented opportunities.

We also don’t know if he had any kind of cover, but it sounds like not, especially as he was moving around. Therefore his back was likely exposed - a lot!

I can see most, even all the adults frozen with fear at first. Absolutely for sure I would have been, but 1.5 hours?? One guy with no backup? Not one single person made a move? Why the difference to flight 93 and a lot of flights since then, including the shoe bomber one?

I put it down to the socialist, “progressive” mindset of that group. Those people are not capable of individual action. They need a “great leader” or a committee to tell them what to do and how to do it.

[Freelance Warrior]

That massacre is perfect proof of what happens to people in an unarmed society

Norway allows public possesion of firearms. Breivik legally owned a Glock and a Ruger Mini-14.

[Freelance Warrior]

When you raise sheep, don’t expect them to deal with their first wolf very well.

This phrase is worth being used as a quote!