Posted on 07/25/2011 7:40:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog
The gunman who slaughtered dozens of campers at a Norwegian island retreat used special bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage, the chief surgeon at a hospital treating victims said.
Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss north-west of Oslo, told AP surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims have recovered only tiny fragments on bullets from victims' bodies, adding that the exit wounds were unusually small and weak.
"These bullets more or less exploded inside the body. All the energy of the bullets was deposited inside the tissue," Poole said.
"They inflicted internal damage that's absolutely horrible."
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Ballistics experts say dum-dum bullets are lighter in weight and can be fired with greater accuracy over varying distances. They commonly are used by air marshals and hunters of small animals.
Poole, a surgeon for 26 years at the hospital, said the bullets were "hyper-fragmentable" and produced confusing pictures on X-rays.
"It's caused us all kinds of extra problems in dealing with the wounds they cause, with very strange trajectories," he said.
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Shooting children at point blank range while they beg for their lives doesn’t require minute of angle ammo.
This coward gets creepier and more disgusting with every new detail.
“dums dums are bullets with an explosive charge inside the projectile which causes them to explode upon impact”
No, they were not.
Old time India arsenal as explained above.
Also an anti-gun pejorative.
What you describe are occasionally sold as novelty ammunition, very unreliable ignition, and the “Explosive” charge is just enough to make a minor flash on impact.
In fact most re-loaders can easily make them, just waste a primer by pushing it into the nose of a hollow-point bullet.
Same thing with the 5.56 - many decry it as too small, but the combination of high velocity and a tumbling bullet creates massive tissue damage. A very effective round at incapacitating humans.
Lethality is all about shot placement. Magic bullets only happen in movies and government investigations.
DumDum is from a munitions plant near Calcutta. The name derived from expanding bullets they manufactured in the 19th century. Darn new tech.
Because the Hague convention applies only to the use of expanding bullets in war, the use of expanding rounds remains legal, or even required, in some circumstances. Examples of this are use of appropriately expanding bullets in hunting, where it is desirable to stop the animal quickly either to prevent loss of a game animal, or ensure a humane death of vermin, and in law enforcement or self defence, where quickly neutralizing an aggressor may be needed to prevent further loss of life, or where the bullet must remain inside the target to prevent collateral damage e.g. on an aircraft.
If he was using a bullet of .308 diameter or smaller, he should have been using varmint bullets. These are widely used on small, thin-skinned animals like prairie dogs, ground squirrels, coyotes, foxes, etc. They often have very thin copper jackets, sintered lead cores, and a plastic tip to start violent expansion upon impact. They dump most all of their energy in the first two to three inches of tissue to prevent over-penetration and downrange hazards.
If anyone wants to see an example, google “Hornady V-max”. I have no information as to his choice of ammunition, bullet or even what caliber he used. Varmint bullets simply match the description of the wound ballistics given by the doctors quoted in the articles.
“Dum-dum” bullets are such arcane nonsense that only people as ignorant of firearms as the British would use it. Using terms like “dum-dum” and “cordite” is part of why nothing written by the British media about firearms is accurate or trustworthy.
Sorry but you are misinformed.
You wrote of “Devastator” bullets (or something similar).... Hinkley used them in trying to kill Reagan.
You can still buy them in the USA (but they ARE outlawed in a few states and many cities.)
I think the reason that they have not been completely outlawed is that they are no more effective on soft tissue than a flat nose projectile.
He certainly is creepy and and disgusting. But if the story isn’t all fog of war he also shot some kids swimming away which calls for some accuracy. I suspect some poor soul will be given the lengthy job of forensically analyzing his shooting. I hope it turns out he wasn’t a great shot, just fiendish enough to have chosen a target rich environment. Published aerial pictures, apparently from choppers, show him shooting kids. They should have swapped that camera for a sniper, but Norway proved to have serious readiness problem.
If the Norwegians had some decent security this could of been stopped. Their false sense of safety was created by very strict gun laws which seemed quite useless in this case. I think we can count on the Norwegians to come away with the wrong conclusions and make even stricter gun laws rather then conclude that just a single armed person could of taken this fool out. Speaking of bullets, I do hope that if I get shot it is with a full metal jacketed 25 auto in my posterior from some distance.
Remember when Reagan was shot? ‘Exploding .22lr bullets’. The reporters in Euroweenieland are probably having to dig into shooting reports from famous cases, to get a ‘working knowledge’ of bullets and weapons. Media whoredom is not so bright anymore.
I’m with you on this. News accounts of firearms related subjects are generally laughable in their inaccuracy.
another report says he claims he filled his bullets with liquid nicotine to inflict maximum pain
Is it possible that he used frangible rounds?
Agreed. When I saw that photo from the helicopter, I wondered why nobody was shooting at him.
What creeps me out is that he was crafty and lucid enough to plot this out, down the the drugs he took and the music he’d listen to, but there was no empathy to go along with the motivation and intellect.
That’s about as close to defining pure evil as I can get.
“Maximum Pain”
Heh. I have an OTC arthritis rub with liquid nicotine in it. More soothing than painful.
pure liquid nicotine, might end your pain for good ....
especially if you ingest it
Just like the bombing of Dresden, I think. ("Oh, THAT'S different", angrily shouts the apologist choir!)
Yes, you are correct.....As I said on post 39 on the previous page.
Nicotine is a strong poison, yes, ingested or even slowly absorbed in quantity.
I can promise you that if you got injured with a bullet dipped, or even containing a dollop of nicotine, that the projectile would hurt enough that you wouldn’t be noticing anything extra from the nicotine.
Slowly absorbed THROUGH THE EPIDERMIS and dermis, I meant to say.
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