Posted on 07/25/2011 7:40:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog
The journalist is a dum dum.
Would it have been better if the killer had used poorly-designed bullets?
Bullets intended to maim but not kill?
Shoot, he probably used a 9mm: it’s surprising anyone actually died.
I expected, and am seeing, the US and international MSM to hype any and all anti-gun angles in spite of this being another great case for 2nd amendment. A few random armed civilians there certainly would have lessened the losses. Heck, even if just the off-duty cop doing private 'security' work (the princess's step-brother) had been armed 68 lives might have been spared. I hope some of the victim's parents can see past their own grief and their own political biases to see the real picture. They now control the government and if they choose to act because of this event they can do as they want. They have the power to improve things, or alas to make them worse.
It appears that the surgeon and “journalist” are both utterly ignorant on the subject of small-arms ammunition, and have an anti-RKBA bias.
“Dum-Dum” was the name of a manufacturing plant in India around a hundred years ago.
Their bullets were not really unusual, they just featured an exposed lead tip, now legally required for hunting in most states.
Most “Self Defense” ammunition has either an exposed lead tip, or a hollow cavity in the nose.
By this articles standard nearly all non-FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) ammunition is “Dum-Dum” type, in reality the “Dum-Dum” moniker has become a pejorative term favored by gun banners.
In my collection I have some of the “Anti-Terrorism” ammunition Israel developed after the Munich massacre, it is a hollow cylinder of brass, with a plastic plug to enable reliable feeding.
It leaves a hollow wound track to drain the body of blood, and a core of detached tissue that will NOT heal.
We can be glad this nut did not use that sort of ammunition.
We may be glad he did not use any of several types of expanding ammunition either, not being a doctor I am not certain which bullet type is more lethal (something even the experts debate endlessly), but the frangible bullets were less likely to pass through one victim and strike a second.
From the description is appears he used frangible ammunition, composed of a compressed and molded metallic powder.
This is actually a “Safety” ammunition, designed to prevent ricochet or over-penetration of building walls.
It is commonly used by cops, air marshals, and security guards.
It is designed to dump it’s energy in the target without exiting so as to protect bystanders, it will not typically puncture an airplane fuselage.
Stating that the nutso shooter used “Safety” ammunition would not serve the agenda of the authors, so they trotted out the Dum-Dum fiction instead.
A normal grain load at close range with either one of those would have left some bad exit wounds. I further question the validity of this article.
Did you know that some Mini-14s have been exported to the U.K. without gas ports or gas system parts? Instant "straight-pull bolt action".
"However, it was soon noticed that such small caliber rounds were less effective at wounding or killing an enemy than the older large caliber soft lead bullets. Within the British Indian Army, the Dum Dum arsenal produced its now infamous solution - the jacketing was removed from the nose of the bullet, creating the first soft point bullets. Since the Mark II jacket did not cover the base of the round this could potentially lead to the jacketing being left in the barrel. This potential problem resulted in the rejection of the Dum-dum design and led to independent development of the Mark III, Mark IV (1897) and Mark V (1899) .303 British rounds, which were of the hollow point design, with the jacket covering the base; while these were made in Britain, not at the Dum-Dum arsenal, the name "Dum-dum" had already become associated with expanding bullets, and continued to be used to refer to any expanding bullets."
Except in New Jersey.
no. dum dums have been illegal in America for decades.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_bullet
Dum Dum arsenal in Calcutta India ...the .303 was the first one.
Outlawed by the Hague in 1899. Close copies were cobbled up by troops in the trenches in WW 1.
IMO this killer used soft point hunting ammo he modified with the cross cuts in the soft tips of each round if he did anything.
Agree with you as to the presstitutes just being dumbasses with regards to any weapons related reference.
Stay Safe !
If he used Glasers, he spent a helluva lot of money on ammo.
Not true.
The term is being misapplied, several post above explain.
The Brits caught Hell for using exposed lead bullets. So, they made a Full Metal Jacket with aluminum in the nose to make it front light. That made the bullet prone to tumble on impact. Those bullets created horrific wounds.
dums dums are bullets with an explosive charge inside the projectile which causes them to explode upon impact. They have been illegal in America for decades. Most light weight jacketed hollow point bullets driven to sufficient velocities (such as the venerable 22/250 for example) will fragmentate upon impact with flesh and bone. This is to prevent over penetration and to ensure a quick clean kill on the small game animal being hunted. The old M16A1 ammo, in fact, was deemed “inhumane” for this reason. The .223 cal bullet would create devastating wound channels in enemy soldiers. The new rounds just penetrate and bounce around a bit.
I can understand liking big power, but the 9mm is more than capable. It's what the Israelis standardized on in their fight for national survival. It's plenty powerful and lethal. Typically as powerful as a 45 ACP in terms of muzzle energy, and well-documented to get the job done.
Bingo. My grandfather served in the U.S. Army in WWI and your description is exact. He was also a policemen in a very large urban area after that war for 36 years and that was standard practice for the policemen who had served in that war when preparing their own ammunition if they thought it was needed.I haven’t heard that term in 40+ years. Yes, hollow points pretty much replaced the need for your own restructuring of the projectile, so to speak.
“Cut” bullets seem unlikely, they would be very prone to jamming.
The liquid Nicotine would be a poison.
Also seems more sensational than likely, keeping the liquid in place until impact would not be easy.
This vermin was methodical, so he probably tested any modification beforehand.
Pure nicotine... Is a heckuva poison. But I think it has to be ingested or slowly absorbed through the skin to do much good. ... or harm, I should say. IMHO it would be a lousy poison for tipping your bullets.
Lots of misinformation and /or ignorance on this event is being circulated.
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