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To: Loyal Sedition
The U.N. can mandate anything, it just cannot have any ability to enforce their agenda within the U.S. borders.

The problem lies in what happens when a President (as Clinton did repeatedly) cynically signs a treaty that stands no chance of ratification.

The Congress and USG are then bound by the treaty's terms, not to do any thing or pass any new law that contravenes the terms of the signed treaty, n/w/s that it has not been ratified. There is the rub, and that is what Obama will do. He will sign the treaty when presented.

In fact, this may have been what Gunwalker etc. was all about -- to manufacture cover for Obama to sign the UN's treaty as an act of "responsible statesmanship" in the face of all that illegal, immoral, nasty-outlaw Texas gunrunning down there in Bad Evil People Country.

23 posted on 07/22/2011 3:46:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I have to respectfully disagree.

Unless ratified a treaty cannot have any force of law within our borders.
What would a person be arrested for in relation to an unratified treaty?
No new “Law” has been created, congress has not ratified the treaty as required by our constitution, no agency can be tasked with implementing regulations based on the unratified treaty.
Anyone charged would then have “Standing” to force Gov. Org. to justify the charge, likely resulting in the alleged “law” being thrown out.

It is shameful that congress has not addressed these treaty abuses as is their duty.
Even a ratified treaty may be rescinded, and several need to be.

I am sure you are correct about Klintoon, his contempt for our constitution may have been equal to Obombies.
I would like examples to study, and probably bring up to my representatives.


24 posted on 07/22/2011 4:27:10 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I have to respectfully disagree.

Unless ratified a treaty cannot have any force of law within our borders.
What would a person be arrested for in relation to an unratified treaty?
No new “Law” has been created, congress has not ratified the treaty as required by our constitution, no agency can be tasked with implementing regulations based on the unratified treaty.
Anyone charged would then have “Standing” to force Gov. Org. to justify the charge, likely resulting in the alleged “law” being thrown out.

It is shameful that congress has not addressed these treaty abuses as is their duty.
Even a ratified treaty may be rescinded, and several need to be.

I am sure you are correct about Klintoon, his contempt for our constitution may have been equal to Obombies.
I would like examples to study, and probably bring up to my representatives.

I am sure you are correct about the intent of “Fast & Furious”, I disagree that the plan would have been legal and that any alleged treaty would take effect immediately.


25 posted on 07/22/2011 4:28:57 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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