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What could really happen if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling
The Daily Crux ^ | July 19. 2011 | Dan Ferris

Posted on 07/21/2011 6:39:47 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper

What could really happen if Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling

From Dan Ferris in Extreme Value:

Until June 30, investors were focused on what would happen in the wake of the end of the second installment of quantitative easing, the Federal Reserve's eight-month, $600 billion, money-printing, Treasury bond-buying operation.

Luckily, not much happened after June 30. But now we find ourselves up against another big deadline: August 2. If Congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling by August 2, big things will happen on August 3. The debt ceiling is a legally imposed limit on the amount of debt the U.S. government is allowed to have at one time. It can only be raised by a vote of Congress.

The last time it was raised was early 2010, when Congress voted on a ceiling of $14.294 trillion. That limit was reached two months ago. Since then, according to U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the government has avoided not paying its bills through "extraordinary measures" and "accounting maneuvers." We're told these measures and maneuvers will run out on August 2.

Without a debt ceiling increase by August 2, the government will wake up August 3 unable to pay approximately 44% of its bills for August. The overwhelming majority of those bills are simply disbursements of funds for government programs, without which this would be a richer, freer country. Interest on the national debt due in August is not a big item.


The hype surrounding the August 2 deadline is that the U.S. will "default" on its debt. I see it a little differently. It's unlikely the U.S. will default on its debt on August 3. According to the Bipartisan Policy Center's recent report, interest payments on Treasury securities total about $29 billion for the month of August, and the U.S. brings in about $173 billion a month. There's no reason why the U.S. government should fail to make any of those payments in the month of August.

What about the $470 billion of debt the government has to roll over in the month of August alone? If it can't borrow more to pay that off, won't it default then?

That's obviously a bigger problem... But again, not as big as you might think. The U.S. government has about $2.88 trillion of total assets. It appears to have about $1 trillion in cash, stocks, bonds, mortgage-backed securities, and other liquid assets it could use to pay off Treasury debt. If that takes us through the end of September, we'd be able to go another few months, running the total debt back up to the debt ceiling of $14.294 trillion.

In an April 4 letter to Congress, Geithner said selling assets "would undermine confidence in the U.S." That's like when a government says it won't devalue its currency, or a company president says bankruptcy isn't on the table. Bringing up the possibility of selling U.S. assets automatically refutes the assertion that you're not thinking about doing it.


In the meantime, in the weeks and months that follow August 2, something unexpected would happen... something nobody in government wants you to know. You'd find out how much you don't need the government.

For example, you'd find out that the Departments of Commerce, Energy, Interior, Agriculture, and a few others are completely unnecessary and a total waste of money. They'd spend only a couple hundred billion dollars out of a $3 trillion budget, but it would be a huge start on the way to showing you how unneccessary government is. Once that ball got rolling, it'd get harder and harder to stop.

That's why Geithner is saying it would be a catastrophe not to raise the debt ceiling. And that's why Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke says it would be calamitous. Komrade Obama says it would be "financial Armageddon." They're all trying to scare you, because they don't want you to know that the big, strong government we all depend on so much is really a weakling you can easily live without.

I relish the possibility of huge swaths of our bloated, oppressive federal bureaucracy shutting down. Even more, I relish the prospect of hundreds of thousands of government employees, people with perfectly productive minds, some of them quite brilliant, making the change from parasites to producers, though I realize this is way too much to hope for.

I doubt this unleashing will take place. I doubt the voting public will stand for it. I'd like to believe we're a nation of self-responsible, self-reliant adults. My fear is that we've become a nation of whining, dependent children. Unfortunately, the last thing most people want is to be responsible for everything they do, say, need, and want. Freedom means freedom from government assistance. Hardly anybody wants that. But a fella can dream...

Remember the unleashing of human potential that occurred in the U.S. in the wake of World War II, when all the soldiers came home? It would be similar to that, though it would involve fewer people. Over 4 million servicemen and women came home after WWII. If 44% of the federal government employees were out of work as of August 2, it would amount to roughly 880,000 new productive workers (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' estimate of 2 million federal employees).


Many government employees are highly educated and highly trained. Many are experienced leaders, more than capable of feats of entrepreneurship. Frightened children like Bernanke and Geithner see scary monsters everywhere. Adults with vision and experience see opportunities.

Would there be disruptions to the economy if the government's role in it was instantly reduced? Of course there would. Would that look ugly in the short term? You bet it would. But I doubt it would be as bad as everyone is trying to scare you into believing. Remember... it's not you and me going broke here. It's the government. And it should go broke. It is broke. It should be forced to shrink expenses, reduce debt, and sell assets. Would this be a bad thing in the long term? Absolutely not.

There are many good reasons to reduce the size and cost of government in the United States – and few good reasons to pretend the job can wait another minute.

We could be in for a rocky ride, but it's hard for me to understand how 44% less government would be anything but an economic miracle.

Crux Note: Dan has developed a plan to help Extreme Value readers profit safely... no matter what the government does next. To access Extreme Value, click here.


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This would be a good start.
1 posted on 07/21/2011 6:39:50 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper
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To: Vintage Freeper

Tim Geithner is the boy who cried wolf.


2 posted on 07/21/2011 6:41:00 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Vintage Freeper

Absolutely nothing! Say it again!

Supposedly, we’ll have to cut 45% of government spending. will never happen, but we can dream.


3 posted on 07/21/2011 6:42:33 AM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: Vintage Freeper

Look at Iceland, they’ve already gotten over their default. Within a few years a default would be a fart in a windstorm.


4 posted on 07/21/2011 6:43:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Iceland didn’t default. They simply refused to pay for the losses of three privately-owned banks.

Sovereign default is a very different animal from not bailing out loser banks.

Having said that - it’s as the article says. America need not default on August 2nd. It can just cut institutions and sell assets. Hell, it could devalue the currency.


5 posted on 07/21/2011 6:50:40 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Vintage Freeper
This stuff makes me madder, and Madder and MADDER every time I see it.

The question IS NOT "What will happen if we don't raise the debt ceiling and default on our debts", THE QUESTION IS:

"WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE CHOOSE TO FUND TURKEY BASTERS FOR LESBIANS, THE NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE ARTS, DUMB ASS RAIL PROJECTS, PBS AND NPR INSTEAD OF PAYING OUR DEBTS, SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE FIRST?"

6 posted on 07/21/2011 6:53:56 AM PDT by rlmorel ("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")
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To: Vintage Freeper
Remember... it's not you and me going broke here. It's the government. And it should go broke. It is broke.

Good few sentences.

7 posted on 07/21/2011 6:55:13 AM PDT by Principled
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To: All

Note that I do not know if there is or is not a “turkey basters for lesbians” program. I just use it as a boilerplate example of a typical government program.


8 posted on 07/21/2011 6:56:18 AM PDT by rlmorel ("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")
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To: Vintage Freeper

This whole game is just ANOTHER scheme to extort MORE money from American taxpayers.

They tell us they’re broke and threaten to cut off the basics -the things the national government are SUPPOSED to do, according to the founders.
All the while, THEIR salaries, their special interests ALL continue - business as usual.

These folks ARE the so-called “Rich who are getting richer off of OUR backs”. WHEN WILL THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION REALIZE THIS???


9 posted on 07/21/2011 6:56:23 AM PDT by J40000
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To: Vintage Freeper
according to U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the government has avoided not paying its bills through "extraordinary measures" and "accounting maneuvers." We're told these measures and maneuvers will run out on August 2.

At which time the Public Employees pension funds that he has been stealing from also go bust. Can you say "House of Cards"?

10 posted on 07/21/2011 6:57:19 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Since then, according to U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, the government has avoided not paying its bills through "extraordinary measures" and "accounting maneuvers."

Geithner is a whore. Worse yet, he's a stupid whore.

11 posted on 07/21/2011 7:00:23 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Vintage Freeper

Step 1: discontinue all foreign aid; replace it with voluntary donations for specific nations/purposes.


12 posted on 07/21/2011 7:03:03 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: econjack
Geithner is a whore. Worse yet, he's a stupid whore.

Don't forget "TAX CHEATING"

Take Back AMERICA!
FUBO GTFO 2012 !

13 posted on 07/21/2011 7:05:22 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: econjack
Geithner is a whore. Worse yet, he's a stupid whore.

Yeah, but he knows how to lift a wallet!

14 posted on 07/21/2011 7:05:52 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: agere_contra

Agreed. That is what we would do as a family, or a small group. That is what works. Do it on the big scale. It will work.


15 posted on 07/21/2011 7:08:51 AM PDT by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: Vintage Freeper
The overwhelming majority of those bills are simply disbursements of funds for government programs, without which this would be a richer, freer country.

I didn't see that coming!
16 posted on 07/21/2011 7:09:59 AM PDT by andyk (Interstate != Intrastate)
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To: Vintage Freeper

What would happen?..... our government would have to do it’s job.

They’d have to make do with what money they have within the current budget and decide which programs to cut and which to keep.

Funny how governments (local, state, and Federal) whine and complain about shortages but they always seem to find the cash somewhere when they need it or are forced to cut programs.

There is a huge amount of waste and the Feds are paying for things that they should be paying for.

Question for the Liberals: would money be better spent on the NEA, PBS, etc. or on helping the poor. No, you can’t have both. We can’t afford it right now.

Like most families, we forgo the extravagances like eating out and seeing the latest movie, if we can’t afford to pay the rent or for food. Why shouldn’t all government entities be forced to do the same?


17 posted on 07/21/2011 7:11:47 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: wilco200

Agree Congress didn’t raise the debt ceiling in 1995 and Absolutely nothing happened,poor media all thet hype for nothing.


18 posted on 07/21/2011 7:12:47 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: J40000
This whole game is just ANOTHER scheme to extort MORE money from American taxpayers.

And you might add political theater at its best. The debt ceiling will be raised, revenues enhanced, and vague future promises of future spening cuts will be made. Obama wins.

If by some miracle the GOP does not cave, the Ascended 0ne will manufacture a crisis, painting the GOP as the evil ones who delayed Granny's monthly check. Obama wins.

As a local radio talk show host commented earlier in the week, the 2012 election is being held now. Unfortunately 50 percent of American's want the European socialist style cradle to grave welfare state, consequences and common sense be damned.

19 posted on 07/21/2011 7:14:28 AM PDT by buckalfa (Confused and Bewildered With a Glass Half Empty)
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To: buckalfa

“And you might add political theater at its best.”

Right. Republican infighting instigated by the dems, with the outcome not even in question.


20 posted on 07/21/2011 7:26:04 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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