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The Republicans exit history (Ebert)
Robert Ebert ^ | 7/20/2011 | Roger Ebert

Posted on 07/20/2011 2:37:45 PM PDT by Tolsti2

All I know is just what I read in the papers. -- Will Rogers

Me too. Or hear on TV, or see on the net. That's all most of us knows. I'm sure the President and Senators and government officials know more, but we elect them, they don't elect us. And I'm sure the CEOs of powerful corporations know more, although the Murdoch testimony indicates he didn't know as much as he could have read in the papers.

What I read,and hear is that the Republican Party is abandoning its hopes of speaking for a majority of Americans. It will still win elections. It controls the House. Perhaps it will elect the next President. But steadily and fatally it is moving out of history.

There are trigger issues in which the GOP no longer reflects the thinking of mainstream Americans of either party. In Tuesday's charade as the House put the Tea Party debt legislation to a vote, what we saw was an example of the kind of coalition voting common in Europe, where separate parties arrive at an agreement to govern. There are now essentially three parties in Congress: Democrats, Republicans, and the Tea Party. Reasonable Republicans with a sense of the possible do not subscribe to the Tea Party's implacable ideology, but they feel they must deal with it to placate its zealots. They are essentially in a coalition with a third party.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ebert; liberals; rogerebert; russmeyer; thumbsdown; wrotepornfilms
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1 posted on 07/20/2011 2:37:53 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

I think this is an interesting view of such an idealogue that even michelle’s diet stuff comes up as a reason for Republicans being out of touch.


3 posted on 07/20/2011 2:40:17 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Exiting the “history” of nations ruined by debt...
Cool, that’s no history to be a part of.

Ebert doesn’t know much history.


4 posted on 07/20/2011 2:44:38 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Check his full list, it’ll have you really shaking your head.


5 posted on 07/20/2011 2:45:42 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Ebert’s just a typical know-nothing liberal.

His “facts” are just extrapolations of what he believes should be true.

The stimulus “should” have worked, therefore it did.


6 posted on 07/20/2011 2:50:41 PM PDT by DarrellZero
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To: Tolsti2

At this point they can raise tax rates but they probably cannot thereby increase tax revenue. If rates are raised revenue in constant dollars will decline even faster than the present subsidence. If rates are raised on “the rich” in such a way as to actually impinge on their income, raising taxes on dividends and on foreign income, the decline of revenue from that quarter will be precipitous as “the rich” remove themselves and their taxability altogether from the country. Revenues are currently in decline and probably cannot be increased by any scheme that involves raising rates or levying new taxes. Revenue can be increased in a one shot operation by a wealth tax but that will put such a crimp in the economy that subsequent revenues may never recover.


7 posted on 07/20/2011 2:51:47 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Tolsti2

Poor Roger, with all he’s gone through, he’s still clueless, bitter and pathetic.
.....and Siskel was the better of the two- by far.


8 posted on 07/20/2011 2:52:47 PM PDT by sillsfan (Reagan and Sarah are right- WE win, they lose!)
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To: Tolsti2
Since when did aging movie reviewers become political experts whose opinions should be given any more respect than those on this or any other outlet? Roger Ebert's negative, leftist views on the Republican party and the conservatives (TEA party) Representatives that are exerting influence in it and his absurd conclusion that the Republican party is somehow, on the 'wrong side of history' are not only ridiculous but irrelevant. I love these leftist assertions that "70%" or even '80% of people polled want higher taxes'. Yeah, right. As long as the question is phrased as: Do you agree that the rich should pay higher taxes to help balance the federal budget?" and the poll is taken in heavily Democrat precincts. What a bunch of BS.

I'm sympathetic to Roger Ebert's struggles with cancer and I used to like his movie reviews but he's way out of his depth with politics. Just another liberal spounting the liberal line, i.e. 'Democrats good, Republicans bad'. Roger, although you have a right to your opinion, I'm not really interested in more leftist drivel about the Republican party being 'outside the mainstream of America' because it's conservative members are trying to rein in the Marxist Obama's disastrous spending. Go watch an old Paul Robeson movie or something.

9 posted on 07/20/2011 2:54:57 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Tolsti2

Roger Ebert no longer speaks for any measurable size of the film going audience.

And his political opinions stink even worse than his post Siskel reviews.


10 posted on 07/20/2011 2:59:42 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: Tolsti2
The last folks to claim that their particular view of life was ordained by history occupied the Kremlin. They and their philosophy have now been consigned to the dustbin of history.

To attempt to prove the validity of your position by an ad hominem attack on your opponent, by for example claiming that his position is "extreme" or "out of the mainstream" is intellectually unworthy. To compound such shallowness by falsely conflating your views with those of an alleged majority is pathetic.

Finally, even if Ebert were correct about the nature of the views of the majority of voters in this country (which he is not), of what moment is that? The majority view is not always the correct one, nor does it necessarily prevail in the long run. A majority of Europeans once believed the earth is flat and that bathing is bad for your health. I hope and trust they are no longer standing firmly in the path of history shouting millions for defence but not a penny for soap or a telescope.

11 posted on 07/20/2011 3:01:08 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: Tolsti2

Wow, i didn’t know there was a new movie out. “The Republicans Exit History” must be comedy, right.

If Ebert doesn’t like it, I’ll go cause it must be good.

(Go back to the movies, Mr. Ebert, no one gives a fig about your political views)


12 posted on 07/20/2011 3:03:35 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Tolsti2

Dude - you are completely wrong about this. It’s the Democrats who have shown that they are moving out of history.


13 posted on 07/20/2011 3:06:03 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: DarrellZero
Ebert knows less than nothing. Our national political parties are made up of coalitions representing various interests.

The Republicans, for example, have usually had three factions and sometimes four. The Democrats have never had less than five major factions and sometimes as many as a dozen.

The identity of the major factions will vary over time. One formerly very large Democrat faction was made up of white folks in the American South.

Well, they lost them. Another large Republican faction was made up of black folks in the American North.

They lost them!

I haven't got time tonight to go through all of this but when you find a Leftwingtard expressing surprise at factions in a political party that means he's as dumb as a board or is telling you a lie, or both.

14 posted on 07/20/2011 3:07:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tolsti2

If only the Republicans would be reasonable and abandon the positions and the people that just won them one of the biggest landslide victories in american political history, they would be much better off. (Sarc)


15 posted on 07/20/2011 3:08:36 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Jim Scott

Roger has views on how to save America and what tax rates future generations NEED to pay.

Of course he won’t actually have to live under any of this misery because he’ll be dead of old age by the time it comes to pass (and already largely post-salary income if he doesn’t croak).


16 posted on 07/20/2011 3:13:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: p. henry

“How can that be? I don’t know ANYBODY who voted for him!” - Some old biddy of a movie critic when Richard Nixon won.


17 posted on 07/20/2011 3:15:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: Tolsti2
They serve kool aid in the balcony.

I picked up Ebert's 2005 Guide to the Movies or something at a used book sale. He glowingly pays tribute to An Inconvenient Truth and all of Michael Moore's movies.

18 posted on 07/20/2011 3:17:46 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Tolsti2

Zealots?!?!
Oh, no NO no no NO NO!

The TEA Party is We the People. The Republican Party had better change to suit Us.


19 posted on 07/20/2011 3:18:20 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Tolsti2

Main stream members of both parties believe whatever the media tells them to believe. Anyone that ignorant doesn’t deserve representation. I wish they were disenfranchised. We can all dream, right?


20 posted on 07/20/2011 3:20:02 PM PDT by CowboyJay
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