Posted on 07/17/2011 1:06:48 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
The news and blogosphere is filled with responses to the July 14, 2011 story by Joshua Green, the Senior Editor of the Atlantic, entitled "Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist." That is because it raises a serious matter which should not be taken lightly, and one which the candidate must address. First, let me share some personal context. I am what is often called a "revert" to the Catholic Church, someone who returned to the Church of my childhood after a long search for the truth. I love being a Catholic Christian. I hold an undergraduate degree and a master's degree in Catholic theology. I am a dissertation away from obtaining a PhD in Catholic Moral Theology. I am also a member of the Clergy, a Deacon. However, I write this article as a private and very concerned citizen.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholic.org ...
For what it's worth, he was also anti-Catholic--I recall a quote from him similar to the one by Rev. Burchard which caused Blaine's defeat in the 1884 election.
Of course this is not true but the Catholic teaching has been that all non-Catholics are going to hell.
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Conservativegreatgrandma has been repeating that lie, she told friday: ““It may also be pointed out that the Catholic church’s official teaching is that anyone not a Catholic will also be going to hell” “
even after NUMEROUS people showed church law that it is a lie. Pope Benedict himself, affirmed that year, that we will see Baptist and Protestant brothers and sisters in Heaven.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2748910/posts?q=1&;page=101
The Cathecism of the Catholic Church now teaches:
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“. . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”
...and frankly, i don’t think Bachmann would start an anti-catholic pogram. and i would have respected her more, if she didn’t quit her church, just to run.
...if her church is negotiable, how can you count on her integrity in anything ?
especially, after she lied about her taxes (50k is “not a penny”), lied about her husband curing gays in his clinic (again, she should have been proud of that, not lied and tried to hide it), and many more.
Romney’s religion (Mormons) teaches that ALL other christian churches are in error, and will go to hell. Baptists as well as Catholics. no one attacks him for that.
i don’t attack Bachmann for that either. but i do object to lies and lack of integrity, and abandoning her religion for political expediency.
again, i don’t care about their religion. i care about them being fiscal conservatives, with INTEGRITY.
Before Rollins, i believe Bachmann was, and would have voted for her.
Protestents think Catholics aren’t true Christians....
Catholics think all other Christians aren’t true Christians
Baptists think they are the only path...
Mormons believe they are Christian....
Jews don’t care about Christians.....
Muslims....well there muslim.....
Each church or religion believes it is the only path to G-d, otherwise they would be...well...Unitarian... :^)
Michelle Bachman isn’t running for head of her church nor are we a theocracy....
Bachman is a good person and not a bigot....she’s running for president of the United States and has displayed good values....This should be the basis of a qualification...
The author of this article is trying to tear apart any support she may garner by instituting infighting amoung Republicans and a lot of people on this thread are taking the bait....
” A Palin KAD smearing Michele Bachmann on Free Republic. How original. YAWN. “ <<<<
I was into this several pages before I read that this post was from a Palin supporter. PAS. Palin Adulation Syndrome.
Campbell Restoration sounds pretty Reformed to me so it sounds like it comes out of from Calvin Zwingli based on the beliefs of baptism and the Eucharist.
Actually, according to the “The Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope” by is part of the
Augsburg Confession, the Pope is a considerd a anti-christ (not The) as he claims to be the vicar of christ on earth and to act as Christ on earth..Basically what Luther had to endure and corruption of the Catholic chruch I could understand why he felt that way.
Today, even though it still part of the confessions of the church, Lutherans do believe the Pope is THE ANTI-CHRIST... Actually, as confessional Lutheran, I have more in common with and appreciation of theCatholic Church than I do with American Protestants or American Evangical Christians
I am actually
I used to say I loved my ex-wife's cooking.
I was not being entirely truthful.
and i’m not “attacking” Bachmann.
Palin was attacked, and things made up about her, and words put in her mouth.
me and others, are simply commenting, on specific words and actions from Bachmann HERSELF.
i like Cain, and Palin. but i HAVE strongly criticised BOTH of them, for things they said and did. that is honesty and integrity.
...if ANY other candidate, called $50,000 “not a penny”, or claimed John Wayne was born in their hometown when he wasn’t, etc., the Bachmann supporters would have condemned them instantly.
(look how everyone criticised Newt’s 500,000 Tiffany’s account.)
the only thing i dislike more than a liar, is a hypocrite.
the only person dividing us, is Bachmann herself, by her own words and actions.
Then you just ignore Papal Bulls?
What are you smoking?
It should go away. I am Catholic, but I am not offended by this at all. Rick Santorum is a well-meaning guy, but he doesn’t know what he’s doing politically, and does harm to hiw own side. Bill Donahue is an anti-Catholic, pro-homosexual activist who is a lunatic. Bachmann is way better for the Catholic Church than Donahue. Bachmann should be held accountable for hiring Ed Rollins.
with 53 years experience I have NEVER EVER heard a catholic priest say anything OTHER THAN “All are welcome”
I call BS
You left out part of the story, you lying hack -- Bachmann ended being disgusted with Carter and worked for the REAGAN campaign in 1980.
You can't even get your facts straight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#cite_note-GOP-09-07-06-13
During Carter's presidency, Bachmann became disappointed with his liberal approach to public policy, support for legalized abortion and economic decisions she held responsible for increased gas prices. In the 1980 presidential election, she voted for Ronald Reagan and worked for his campaign.
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/14445
Bachmann grew up in a Democratic family and worked on Jimmy Carter's campaign during college. But throughout Carter's presidency, Bachmann says she grew disappointed with his liberal approach to public policy, from support for legalized abortion to economic decisions that sent gas prices soaring. Next election she voted for Reagan.
I always knew you were “different.” Now I know you’re a bigot.
If it were stupid as you suggest, would she have quit the church just before running for president? No, she wouldn't have.
It might not bother you that her (ex-)church calls the leader of the Roman Catholic Church the Antichrist but as theological condemnations go, that's as bad as it gets.
The fact is she was a member for years, she felt it contentious enough to cut and run, not unlike Obama throwing Jeremiah Wright under the bus in 2008.
As president of the United States how do you engage a religious leader, an ally, who is also a legitimate head of state, when your faith says he's the Antichrist?
She put it on the table by making her evangelical faith a cornerstone of her campaign.
Which, sadly, means that person in question won't hesitate to get in the mud and sling manure at anyone, no matter how conservative, that stands in the way of their candidate.
One cannot commit blasphemy against a denomination. No denomination is God. “ <<<<<
The Catholic Church is not a denomination. Protestants have “denominations” in order to count the ways they oppose the Catholic Church and each other, and out of that variety of ways they have to spring up their own cult to declare their differences from other protestants. Thus the name Protestant. Protest. Protest to the Catholic Church. Denominations refers to Protestant differences.
One cannot commit blasphemy against a denomination. No denomination is God. “ <<<<<
The Catholic Church is not a denomination. Protestants have “denominations” in order to count the ways they oppose the Catholic Church and each other, and out of that variety of ways they have to spring up their own cult to declare their differences from other protestants. Thus the name Protestant. Protest. Protest to the Catholic Church. Denominations refers to Protestant differences.
You sir are disingenuous. You are an AVID PALIN SUPPORTER and are doing your best to denigrate BACHMANN. I personnally like both women. Whatever, there is NOTHING NEW in what her former “church” taught. Here is an excerpt from the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (pay attention to paragraph 4) that most Baptists have a heritage tied to this (the concept of a Pope - not the man but the office - is an anathema to most conservative protestants):
1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith
Chapter 26: Of the Church
1. The catholic or universal church, which (with respect to the internal work of the Spirit and truth of grace) may be called invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ, the head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
( Hebrews 12:23; Colossians 1:18; Ephesians 1:10, 22, 23; Ephesians 5:23, 27, 32 )
2. All persons throughout the world, professing the faith of the gospel, and obedience unto God by Christ according unto it, not destroying their own profession by any errors everting the foundation, or unholiness of conversation, are and may be called visible saints; and of such ought all particular congregations to be constituted.
( 1 Corinthians 1:2; Acts 11:26; Romans 1:7; Ephesians 1:20-22 )
3. The purest churches under heaven are subject to mixture and error; and some have so degenerated as to become no churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan; nevertheless Christ always hath had, and ever shall have a kingdom in this world, to the end thereof, of such as believe in him, and make profession of his name.
( 1 Corinthians 5; Revelation 2; Revelation 3; Revelation 18:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12; Matthew 16:18; Psalms 72:17; Psalm 102:28; Revelation 12:17 )
4. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, all power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.
( Colossians 1:18; Matthew 28:18-20; Ephesians 4:11, 12; 2 Thessalonians 2:2-9 )
5. In the execution of this power wherewith he is so intrusted, the Lord Jesus calleth out of the world unto himself, through the ministry of his word, by his Spirit, those that are given unto him by his Father, that they may walk before him in all the ways of obedience, which he prescribeth to them in his word. Those thus called, he commandeth to walk together in particular societies, or churches, for their mutual edification, and the due performance of that public worship, which he requireth of them in the world.
( John 10:16; John 12:32; Matthew 28:20; Matthew 18:15-20 )
6. The members of these churches are saints by calling, visibly manifesting and evidencing (in and by their profession and walking) their obedience unto that call of Christ; and do willingly consent to walk together, according to the appointment of Christ; giving up themselves to the Lord, and one to another, by the will of God, in professed subjection to the ordinances of the Gospel.
( Romans. 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2; Acts 2:41, 42; Acts 5:13, 14; 2 Corinthians 9:13 )
7. To each of these churches thus gathered, according to his mind declared in his word, he hath given all that power and authority, which is in any way needful for their carrying on that order in worship and discipline, which he hath instituted for them to observe; with commands and rules for the due and right exerting, and executing of that power.
( Matthew 18:17, 18; 1 Corinthians 5:4, 5; 1 Corinthians 5:13; 2 Corinthians 2:6-8 )
8. A particular church, gathered and completely organized according to the mind of Christ, consists of officers and members; and the officers appointed by Christ to be chosen and set apart by the church (so called and gathered), for the peculiar administration of ordinances, and execution of power or duty, which he intrusts them with, or calls them to, to be continued to the end of the world, are bishops or elders, and deacons.
( Acts 20:17, 28; Philippians 1:1 )
9. The way appointed by Christ for the calling of any person, fitted and gifted by the Holy Spirit, unto the office of bishop or elder in a church, is, that he be chosen thereunto by the common suffrage of the church itself; and solemnly set apart by fasting and prayer, with imposition of hands of the eldership of the church, if there be any before constituted therein; and of a deacon that he be chosen by the like suffrage, and set apart by prayer, and the like imposition of hands.
( Acts 14:23; 1 Timothy 4:14; Acts 6:3, 5, 6 )
10. The work of pastors being constantly to attend the service of Christ, in his churches, in the ministry of the word and prayer, with watching for their souls, as they that must give an account to Him; it is incumbent on the churches to whom they minister, not only to give them all due respect, but also to communicate to them of all their good things according to their ability, so as they may have a comfortable supply, without being themselves entangled in secular affairs; and may also be capable of exercising hospitality towards others; and this is required by the law of nature, and by the express order of our Lord Jesus, who hath ordained that they that preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel.
( Acts 6:4; Hebrews 13:17; 1 Timothy 5:17, 18; Galatians 6:6, 7; 2 Timothy 2:4; 1 Timothy 3:2; 1 Corinthians 9:6-14 )
11. Although it be incumbent on the bishops or pastors of the churches, to be instant in preaching the word, by way of office, yet the work of preaching the word is not so peculiarly confined to them but that others also gifted and fitted by the Holy Spirit for it, and approved and called by the church, may and ought to perform it.
( Acts 11:19-21; 1 Peter 4:10, 11 )
12. As all believers are bound to join themselves to particular churches, when and where they have opportunity so to do; so all that are admitted unto the privileges of a church, are also under the censures and government thereof, according to the rule of Christ.
( 1 Thessalonians 5:14; 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 14, 15 )
13. No church members, upon any offence taken by them, having performed their duty required of them towards the person they are offended at, ought to disturb any church-order, or absent themselves from the assemblies of the church, or administration of any ordinances, upon the account of such offence at any of their fellow members, but to wait upon Christ, in the further proceeding of the church.
( Matthew 18:15-17; Ephesians 4:2, 3 )
14. As each church, and all the members of it, are bound to pray continually for the good and prosperity of all the churches of Christ, in all places, and upon all occasions to further every one within the bounds of their places and callings, in the exercise of their gifts and graces, so the churches, when planted by the providence of God, so as they may enjoy opportunity and advantage for it, ought to hold communion among themselves, for their peace, increase of love, and mutual edification.
( Ephesians 6:18; Psalms 122:6; Romans 16:1, 2; 3 John 8-10 )
15. In cases of difficulties or differences, either in point of doctrine or administration, wherein either the churches in general are concerned, or any one church, in their peace, union, and edification; or any member or members of any church are injured, in or by any proceedings in censures not agreeable to truth and order: it is according to the mind of Christ, that many churches holding communion together, do, by their messengers, meet to consider, and give their advice in or about that matter in difference, to be reported to all the churches concerned; howbeit these messengers assembled, are not intrusted with any church-power properly so called; or with any jurisdiction over the churches themselves, to exercise any censures either over any churches or persons; or to impose their determination on the churches or officers.
( Acts 15:2, 4, 6, 22, 23, 25; 2 Corinthians 1:24; 1 John 4:1 )
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