Justin Elliott - SuperFroot
Posted on 07/16/2011 2:50:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Salon Exclusive: The Texas governor's uncomfortably close ties to groups that glorify the Lost Cause
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Rick Perry made national headlines in 2009 when, during a speech to a Tea Party group, he floated the possibility that Texas could secede from the union. But the governor's substantive ties to the neo-Confederate movement may be deeper than previously known.
A 1998 voting guide published by a leading neo-Confederate group and obtained by Salon not only endorses Perry for lieutenant governor but also describes him as "a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans." Perry's office did not respond to a request for comment about the governor's possible membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
This is the document, published by the League of the South on its website DixieNet.org; it was unearthed by Edward Sebesta, a Texas-based independent researcher and co-editor of "Neo-Confederacy: A Critical Introduction." Click the image for larger size.
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UPDATE 7/14/11: Perry spokeswoman Catherine Frazier issues this denial: "[T]he governor never joined that group nor has he ever paid any dues to it."
I've asked her if he has a position on the pending license plate issue, and if I hear back I will update this post.
(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...
YOU are slamming my Perry threads all the time. I have NEVER been a troll. I have never said one negative thing about Ron Paul -- not that there isn't room for discussion on his stance on some issues.
Justin Elliott - SuperFroot
Because it’s the sort of story that will get picked up and repeated. It’ll be used against Perry if he runs for the GOP nomination.
Not the truth.
What you do is post the rumor part of the article (from February 2004), but leave out this important information...
For the record, Naked City looked into the Perry rumors when they first surfaced some weeks ago – inevitably accompanied by the warning, “The divorce papers are being filed today!” – and found no evidence of any truth to any of them, whatsoever. Amid much finger-pointing about who was the original source (and which political party he or she belongs to), nobody will go on the record. The governor's office (perhaps understandably) refuses any and all comment beyond a one-sentence statement from Perry spokesperson Kathy Walt: “These are false, malicious, and hurtful rumors, and the Chronicle's own investigation acknowledges that fact.”
We also know that numerous other reporters, from here to New York, have looked into the rumors, with, as far as we know, an identical lack of results. Nor do we expect anything we say here to have any effect on the rumors, which have become entirely self-replicating as they echo through the blogosphere.
...and last I checked, Mr. and Mrs. Perry are still married.
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Listen, Karl Rove brought Rick Perry over to the Republican Party. I don’t care who he’s pretending to like this week.
So the “truth” is what you perceive it to be? The fact is, Rove was working for Kay Bailey in an effort to defeat Perry in the 2010 Republican primaries.
You're a deeply delusional Ron Paul supporter...I get it...
A scenario I like has Paul in, Palin in, and the establishment candidate. And Ron Paul just attacks the establishment candidate. This would result in a Palin vs Paul showdown in the Republican primary which most people would think, based on reason, would result in a Palin win. But the many debates are focused on attacking Obama.
And it’s all win. Then a Palin/Paul ticket.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2749166/posts?page=180#180
You have no interest in the truth. You are simply a Paulista anti-Perry propagandist. At least try to be truthful about that.
I’ve gotten a lot of information from you today.
Thank you very much!!
Good stuff!!
I am just posting links. That is true. If I choose to highlight the portions that I want to show, that is to be expected, and is not false in any way.
“Listen, Karl Rove brought Rick Perry over to the Republican Party. I don’t care who he’s pretending to like this week.”
Nothing untrue about those sentences.
Sentence 1 is provable fact.
Sentence 2 is me saying “I don’t care X” It’s a statement of how much I care. It is true that I don’t care.
Once a Rove managed candidate, always a Rove managed candidate. And that’s just my interpretation of it.
I said that I wanted a Palin / Paul ticket. That kinda makes me a Palin supporter as much as a Paul supporter.
I don’t insult Palin by saying Paul/Palin the way the sleazy Texans say Perry/Palin. That’s offensive.
Thanks guys.
Yeah, I hit them with my links. I don’t usually spend much time on those threads. Just the whole “don’t forget these facts”, and then I’m on another thread.
All we’re doing now is talking about talking and bickering.
What I'm doing is setting the thread straight. And in the process, other FReepers have given me the information I need in the future to confront you each and every time you come to disrupt Perry threads.
Imagine your surprise when you find out how many freepers would, in fact, be offended by you trying to put Paul into the same category as Palin.
I voted for Palin last time (In spite of the grumpy old man at the top of the ticket), and would have no problem doing it again. Ron Paul does not belong in the same category as Palin, and despite your bizarre fantasy, will make little progress in the primaries beyond his rabid supporters.
It is an insult to Palin to equate her to Paul.
I’m a physician, once voted for Paul in straw polls and have defended him to prolifers on this board for his purist stance on pro life Bills that led him to vote against federal bans on abortion at military bases, etc.
However the idea of him running with Governor Palin now, is worse than atrocious.
I stood to turn my back on him at the Fort Worth straw poll in 2008 after he accused Dick Chaney of corruption and said our soldiers could leave Iraq the same way they went in. Since he was shaking from head to toe, and had aligned with those who were carrying caskets that were supposed to hold American soldiers and wearing anarchist signs, I guess he meant “under fire from the enemy.”
That goes beyond his mocking embrace of his nickname, “Dr. No.”
Speaking of the shaking: he and I were both invited speakers at the Texas Republican Assembly a few years ago and I’ve seen him up close at other events over the years. I’m concerned about his total body shaking that increases when he gets agitated, as well as the extent to which he gets agitated.
“All things work for good for those who love the Lord.”
You know, Rove has said things that were untrue about other politicians, too.
At least the Governor never aligned with anarchists as Paul did before the 2008 election. I’ll bet that Perry never voted against marriage or a pro-life Bill, either.
I too have met Ron Paul.
We have grandsons the same age, in the same school, that were in the same class last year.
It is a free country and he has served his district, who voted him into office.
I hold no ill will for Ron Paul.
However, if “truthfreedom” represents a typical supporter of his, it gives one pause.
>>>”...of course Perry is the descendant of carpetbaggers. Hey, if you’re name isn’t Gonzales, Trevino, Gomez, Munez, Huston, Travis or Crocket (and some others) you are definitely a carpetbagger.”<<<
LOL. I know of at least 2 who were not carpetbaggers: my cousin Mary Cleveland and her husband Thomas Jefferson Rusk. Rusk was the first Secretary of War, a General at the Battle of San Jacinto, the first Chief Justice of the Republic, and one of the first two U.S. Senators from Texas, along with Sam Houston.
Thomas Jefferson Rusk was born in Pendleton, South Carolina to John Rusk and Mary Sterrit. John, born in Ireland, was a stone mason who built the Old Stone Church in 1797 which still stands today near Clemson University. Mary was born in the Pendleton district. John and Mary are buried in the church cemetery.
Mary Cleveland was born in Georgia, the daughter of General John Cleveland, who was the son of Lt John Cleveland, a Revolutionary War hero at the Battle of Kings Mountain, and the grandson of Colonel Benjamin Cleveland who was the militia commander at Kings Mountain. Mary’s other grandfather was Georgia Militia Colonel James Blair who, as a young scout, was also a Revolutionary War hero in the Battle of Kings Mountain and was depicted in the poem, “The Ride of the Rebel”.
Three of their sons fought for the Confederacy: Capt Benjamin L. Rusk, Capt John Cleveland Rusk and Private Cicero Rusk. Cicero was killed in Louisiana while serving with the 4th Texas Cavalry.
You still paint with too broad a brush. I know several older elected Republicans down here, conservative as anybody today, who were once ELECTED democrats. Nobody was a Republican down here before 1970. Then again, back then (pre-1970) you had Nelson Rockerfeller of New York, Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, Lowel Schweiker of Connecticut, all not just RINOs but real liberals, who were Republicans!
You might want to adjust your present view with what has changed historically, and yes, even in our own lifetimes!
And that’s why I said your statement is nonsense, because historically, for Southerners, it is. We were all democrats back then. And I welcome them all into the CONSERVATIVE side of the Republican party!
There's a good reason for that ~ one of them is that we were still, to a considerable degree, still working with Souvrnr's in Congress who ustabe Democrats. None of them were particularly Liberal ~ and some of them occasionally had to deal with people who thought them TOO SOUVRN ~ for reasons we will not mention on this board ~ and no, that wasn't for eating pigs feet!
I think we have quite enough terms for calling Leftwingtards that we don't need to change what RINO meant historically.
Rockefeller, Brooke and Schweiker (none of whom were RINOs) were NE Republicans called, for short Rockefeller Republicans.
They'd cr*pped their shorts if you'd accused them of being Democrats.
Provided we can get enough votes in the rest of the country we no longer need to work with RINOs in the NE or the South, or California. The only reason we put up with those people was to get votes where someone without that prior Democrat label could not win as a regular Republican.
If you go back and examine policies the Rockefeller Republicans backed you might find some familiar topics that today are thought of as rather Conservative ~ hard core in fact. Same with the Democrats of that time ~ they still had some patriots and supported national defense. Today they can't be trusted.
We are related to your Blair only by marriage but we are related by blood to Manual McConnell SEE: http://www.southerncampaign.org/pen/s2773.pdf ~ I think at one point the Souf’ Carolana militia was down to about 5 armed men who’d sworn the oath. That’d be McConnell and Blair. Their pension applications, and a number of books that refer to them were turned into lines of script in The Patriot.
Her husband, my Great Great Grandfather was held prisoner at Andersonville.
I think I got you equalled on the generation count Fur Shur.
One of their farms was used in Southern Indiana first as a hideout for runaway slaves. They buried the slavecatchers who came nosing around out in the old orchard. Their cousins were fighting Southerners in Kansas a good 10 years before the war started out (on a more formal basis).
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