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Why Taxes Will Rise in the End
New York Times ^ | July 12, 2011 | DAVID LEONHARDT

Posted on 07/13/2011 11:10:34 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper

Polls show that most Americans are opposed to raising the federal debt ceiling. Even when the Pew Research Center included the consequences in its question — a national default that would damage the economy — slightly more people were against raising the ceiling than were for it...

Free lunchism is ultimately the problem with the no-new-taxes pledge that so many politicians have adopted. A refusal to raise taxes, no matter how principled, cannot take us back to the good old days. It would instead lead to a very different American society. For taxes to remain where they are, Washington would need to end Medicare as we know it, end Social Security as we know it, severely shrink the military — or do some combination of the above.

(Excerpt) Read more at finance.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: mediabias; taxes
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Paging Mr. Laffer, please pick up the courtesy phone.
21 posted on 07/13/2011 11:49:31 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Hauser’s Law applies to this too! (19% of GDP as tax revenue)
Christina Romer wrote a paper about the effect of a 1% tax increase. It initially lowers GDP by about 3.2%, then levels off at about -2.1%.

Capital Strike!


22 posted on 07/13/2011 11:56:55 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: central_va

Yep. And increasing taxes beyond equilibrium not only reduces revenue, it fuels the appetite of the state for more spending and removes incentives for restraint.


23 posted on 07/13/2011 12:03:18 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: central_va

Laffer makes it clear in his writings that that equilibrium point can be anywhere between 0 and 100% (exclusive of those extremes). The Laffer curve is not necessarily a bell shaped curve. (Not that you said it was, but the illustration might lead some to believe that.)


24 posted on 07/13/2011 12:09:39 PM PDT by In Maryland ("The Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers." -Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: In Maryland

What evidence do you have to support that the tax rates are on the LEFT side of the inflection point?


25 posted on 07/13/2011 12:14:38 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I never asserted that - I merely pointed out the self-acknowledged uncertainty inherent in Laffer's model. Laffer never presumed to say where the point of maximum revenue occurred - that can only be ascertained by trial and error and given the highly dynamic nature of society what is optimal today may not be optimal a month from now.

However, my perception would certainly be that tax rates are too high given that the Bush tax cuts produced record revenues .

26 posted on 07/13/2011 12:25:06 PM PDT by In Maryland ("The Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers." -Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: Vintage Freeper
"Polls show that most Americans are opposed to raising the federal debt ceiling"

That statement is asinine, but understandable coming from the New York Slimes... Most American's couldn't tell you what a 'debt ceiling' is and when asked the question, it is likely that most of the respondents thought they were being asked a question about construction methods, rather than the actual national debt of the United States. LOL

The Pew Research Center is a joke, but the New York Slimes constantly rely on their nonsensical polls to justify their gobbly gook.

27 posted on 07/13/2011 12:30:47 PM PDT by jerod (They were Socialist, Pro-Abortionist, Gun Control Nuts & Excessive Environmentalist -the NAZI party)
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To: Vintage Freeper

At a certain point people will be driven to an underground economy. Then the government will become even more tyrannical in enforcing taxes further destroying the economy of the country. In the end the economy will collapse and the U.S. will breakup into smaller countries. It happened to the USSR it will happen here.


28 posted on 07/13/2011 12:55:16 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Vintage Freeper

The socialists need to revive the Kennedy family’s “profile in courage” award.

That’s where socialists celebrate “heros” in office who defy the will and best interest of American citizens in order to force them to ingest rotten peas.


29 posted on 07/13/2011 1:05:45 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Vintage Freeper

Fine, we can start by extending the Federal Income Tax to the approximately 47% of the public who does not pay it.


30 posted on 07/13/2011 1:32:33 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SaraJohnson

The socialists need to revive the Kennedy family’s “profile in courage” award.

That’s where socialists celebrate “heros” in office who defy the will and best interest of American citizens in order to force them to ingest rotten peas.


I believe that the very first recipient of that award was Lowell Weicker after he imposed a state income tax on Connecticut.


31 posted on 07/13/2011 1:33:48 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

What a courageious hero!


32 posted on 07/13/2011 1:51:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Vintage Freeper
Taxes will not rise but if and ONLY if we get control of the Senate and White House.

If the GOP stays fractured (which the dem/MSM axis is continues to fervently desire) taxes are likely to rise.

33 posted on 07/13/2011 2:04:47 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

“This article isn’t that bad. He is liberal but points out the problem clearly — Americans want a free lunch. His solution is a tax hike. He says the Republicans won’t be able to force a spending cut through because Middle America won’t stand for entitlement cuts. He sees a general tax increase with a pretty severe tax increase for the “rich.” Quite frankly, as much as I hate it and as much as I’d fight it, he may be right. Way too many Americans want a free ride paid for by “the rich.” We can’t get around that. Its depressing but true.”

You’re right. Just do what I’ve done in the past and talk about SERIOUS Social Security reform...the kind of reform needed to help the government live within its means. I’m talking making it a means-tested welfare program. The oldies here, maybe half of them overall, HAVE A FIT. They are fine with balancing the budget, but I can go to hell if I expect them to be part of it...instead they want MY kids and (future) grandkids to give them a free ride.


34 posted on 07/13/2011 5:05:18 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
"Way too many Americans want a free ride paid for by “the rich.” We can’t get around that. Its depressing but true."

There is an old adage that says all good things come to an end. Paraphrasing Maggie Thatcher, the free lunches end when you run out of other people's money. The reaction of global markets to QE, QE2, the European debt crisis, and our own debt problems should be a shot a cross the bow for anybody that running out of OPM is pretty darn close.

35 posted on 07/15/2011 4:55:12 AM PDT by Vintage Freeper
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