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To: jh4freedom
Under the “full faith and credit” clause of the Constitution, a state certified copy of a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth should be accepted since it contains the constitutionally required information that can be found on a birth record: Name, date of birth and location of birth. The other constitutional requirement is 14 years residence in the US. No birth record documents that. At least that’s what Zero’s Perkins-Cole lawyers will argue.

No doubt they will. The counter argument is that said state is not refusing to accept Hawaii's document, Hawaii is just refusing to produce the CORRECT document, one known to be in their possession. They will further correctly argue that until very recently, Hawaii itself would not accept the document they are now attempting to foist off on other states. I am willing to bet a Judge will tell Hawaii to bring the original to court so he can look at it, then tell them that they will have to admit it as evidence in the proceeding. Or do you know of a reason why Hawaii would refuse a Federal judge?

Once declared evidence, said state will be able to examine it and the whole issue goes away. (If it is all legit) The very idea that a Presidential candidate should be permitted to withhold his actual proof of eligibility is ludicrous. We should not even be having this discussion. Again, it is the tail wagging the dog.

298 posted on 07/15/2011 8:51:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

No doubt they will. The counter argument is that said state is not refusing to accept Hawaii’s document, Hawaii is just refusing to produce the CORRECT document, one known to be in their possession. They will further correctly argue that until very recently, Hawaii itself would not accept the document they are now attempting to foist off on other states. I am willing to bet a Judge will tell Hawaii to bring the original to court so he can look at it, then tell them that they will have to admit it as evidence in the proceeding. Or do you know of a reason why Hawaii would refuse a Federal judge?

Once declared evidence, said state will be able to examine it and the whole issue goes away. (If it is all legit) The very idea that a Presidential candidate should be permitted to withhold his actual proof of eligibility is ludicrous. We should not even be having this discussion. Again, it is the tail wagging the dog.

Full faith and credit means that whatever Hawaii says is an official birth record in their state is accepted in every other state plus the federal government.
Hawaii COLBs are valid for passports and every other official purpose.

There have been well over 100 judges who have presided over pre-trial and trial hearings and appeals for Obama eligiblity lawsuits. No judge or panel of justices has requested that Hawaii present an original birth certificate.
I just don’t see that happening. If either Obama’s attorneys or a plaintiff suing Obama’s attorneys want to get a court order for a copy of the original document, that is permissible under Hawaii law.

Zero’s position is that he is the first candidate to ever place a copy of his birth certificate on the web and its been there since April of 2008. If anybody wants to see it, click a mouse. And now if anyone wants to see a copy of his long form, go to whitehouse.gov


299 posted on 07/15/2011 9:33:53 PM PDT by jh4freedom
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