Posted on 07/12/2011 8:48:02 AM PDT by fishtank
By JENNIFER DOBNER Associated Press SALT LAKE CITY July 12, 2011 (AP) A polygamous family made famous by the reality TV show "Sister Wives" plans to challenge the Utah bigamy law that makes their lifestyle illegal, a Washington-based attorney said Tuesday. In an email to The Associated Press, attorney Jonathan Turley said he will file the lawsuit challenging Utah's bigamy law in Salt Lake City's U.S. District Court on Wednesday. .............
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Polygamy is inevitable.
Congress only allowed Utah, and Idaho, and Arizona, and Oklahoma, into the Union if they would forever foreswear plural marriage.
This move is a direct challenge to the moral natural law basis of our free republic, in more ways than one.
Maybe so, but my oath to my wife was to "Keep myself only unto thee". She took the same oath. If she decides to get a second husband, I think I'll leave.
The Republican Party’s founding basis is found in their 1856 platform, in which their prime motivation and mission is stated as combating “the twin relics of barbarism: slavery and polygamy.”
Polygamy is a return to barbarism.
Abraham found favor with God because of his faith and not his actions. All mankind is lost in sin - even Abraham, Moses, and me and you.
Abraham found as all men find that his own works were sinful, that he had no record of perfection to offer God, and therefore that he was ungodly under the law of God. Finding himself in sin, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" (Romans 4:3).
Abraham sinned and was ungodly, so could not offer his own record of perfection nor demand the reward (Romans 3:23; 4:2, 4-5). The only way God could put down righteousness to the account of a sinner is by forgiving the sin, thus giving a gift of grace or unmerited favor. Such a favor could be bestowed universally and unconditionally upon all men, or conditionally and, therefore, only upon those meeting the condition. Abraham found that God justifies the ungodly by grace, upon the condition of faith. What must God see and record in order for His ledger to show us being innocent, just or righteous? Abraham's faith is regarded and recorded for righteousness.
San Francisco, 2039:
“Do you, Oh’Bhama D’yleesh’ia Sho’n’tae, take this arificial person to be your lawfully recognized sexual partner.......”
Yes, there was polygamy in OT times (at times). But Abraham was NOT a polygamist.
The lone reference to Hagar being a "wife" of Abraham was his wife, Sarah, saying he would give him her servant for childbearing purposes.
After she was pregnant, all the references to Hagar are NOT as a "wife," but still as Sarah's servant.
Abraham references her that way; so does the Angel of the Lord; so does Moses (who wrote Genesis); so does the apostle Paul in Galatians 4:21-31.
Abraham took another wife after Sarah died.
Jacob was a polygamist; but that was something that developed directly due to deception. Solomon was a polygamist, but that was heavily frowned upon in one of the books of Kings -- essentially proving Deut 17:17 -- that polygamy would take away a man's devotion to the Lord.
Some of the other OT mentions of polygamists involved people who were hardly "models" of the Lord. We know David had wives and concubines; some of the concubines he simply inherited when he became king...we don't know if he slept with any of them. We know some of David's wives were not simultaneous to others.
When everything is ‘marriage’, nothing is marriage.
One other thing...we don't know how many times Abraham slept with Hagar since she is never post-sleeping with him (becoming pregnant) referenced as his wife. Could have been a week for all we know.
Besides, if we took what you're saying as applicable, God told Hosea to take a prostitute (Gomer) as a wife -- and Gomer kept that as a sort of "cottage industry" post-marriage. Just because God blessed Hosea doesn't equate to advising others to take up prostitute-wives who remain active prostitutes.
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Abraham’s first wife was Sarah, and she was not an Arab. God made promises to Abraham regarding his future offspring, but they eventually became somewhat doubtful of the promise since Sarah was barren. So, she gave Hagar, her Egyptian handmaiden (a slave) to Abraham and Hagar became pregnant. I have read, but I’m no expert so I cant say for sure that during that time if a wife was barren it was not uncommon for the husband to take a slave, or concubine, to have children. I don’t know if they really considered that a true wife.
The child was Ishmael, and Sarah became jealous of Hagar and Ishmael and convinced Abraham to let them go. God promised Ishmael that his offspring would become a thorn in the side of Abraham’s other offspring through Sarah.
Sarah (the first wife) did become pregnant many years later and gave birth to Isaac, which was the source for the Jewish peoples.
So, FIRST wife was Sarah, mother of Isaac and the Jewish peoples.
Slave, concubine Hagar, mother of Ishmael and the Islamic peoples.
I think if God had looked favorably on their lack of faith in his promises for Abraham’s offspring (using Hagar in the first place to get offspring and then turning them out in the dessert), He would not have given Ishmael the “consolation prize” that his offspring would give such grief to God’s chosen people.
Bingo!
Response: Of course polygamy is a return to barbarism. However, our entire society is returning to barbarism.
Yes, it is a barbaric society that butchers more innocent babies every day than were murdered on 9-11-2001 by Islamic terrorists.
Yes, these states had to ban polygamy to be allowed into the union.
A Supreme Court decision in 1879, I believe, upheld a federal law which banned polygamy in U.S. territories such as Utah. That decision said that it was not a violation of Mormon religious freedom to limit marriage to 1 man and 1 woman.
Next will either be incestuous marriage (siblings, parent-child, etc) or lowering marriage age to 9 to satisfy the Muslims and pedophiles.
“At least polygamy is Biblical.”
Yupper, and it is also sanctioned by MadMo hissef.
Polygamy produces unmarried men. Unmarried men are - you guessed it, ‘Cannon Fodder’.
There is a reason polygamy was outlawed. One man/one woman works better than other deviations from that formula. And I did choose ‘deviation’ deliberately.
Why? Because reality just is.
“Any idea which dog has the biggest litters?”
The bigger the dog, the bigger the litter.
By your theory, you should marry Big SIS.
;-)
excellent point!
How do we explain Obama getting more than one half of the popular vote?
The real problems are extensions of other, larger issues that need to be addressed... young people entering marriage before they are ready, whether "arranged" or by choice (not to mention viewing children as sex objects)... and people living off the government, which is what I believe a lot of these people do.
So long as a polygamous grouping is self-sufficient and everyone involved is of a mature age... I just don't care.
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