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ITALY: The Signs Keep Piling Up That It's In Trouble
Business Insider ^ | July 11, 2011 | Joe Wisenthal

Posted on 07/11/2011 1:07:25 PM PDT by lbryce

In recent weeks, Italy has come under the spotlight.

In part it's because with Greece bailed out, attention naturally turns to: who's next?

It can't be Ireland or Portugal, because they're already bailed out. Spain's issues are well known.

So: it's Italy.

All the major ratings agencies have been discussing its sovereign rating, as well as its banks, owing to the fact that it's economy is lackluster and its government is a mess.

Today its services PMI missed big, showing contraction.

And though most European indices are going nowhere today, Milan is off over 7%. Its short-term yields are widening (modestly), and the country's premier bank, UniCredit is seeing more selling. That bank has also seen steady widening of its CDS.

The problem is: Italy is way too big to bail, with an economy that puts Greece's, Ireland's and Portugal's to shame. Keep watching this one.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bankruptcy; default; eu; italy; piigs; porchi
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1 posted on 07/11/2011 1:07:31 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Italy will get bailed out by france and germany.
The question is: Who’s gonna bail out us ?!?


2 posted on 07/11/2011 1:12:07 PM PDT by buzzer
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To: lbryce

Anybody old enough to remember the Ed Sullivan ‘shew’ will remember the guy who balanced spinning plates on poles —

That’s the mental picture that’s come to mind more and more, of late....


3 posted on 07/11/2011 1:12:31 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: buzzer

Italy isn’t Greece.

The numbers involved are far larger.

Larger than France and Germany can take on.


4 posted on 07/11/2011 1:13:09 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Uncle Ike
Anybody old enough to remember the Ed Sullivan ‘shew’ will remember the guy who balanced spinning plates on poles —

I've never met the person who remembered the shew who didn't remember the plate guy... Odd how someone like that stays with you...

5 posted on 07/11/2011 1:16:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: NVDave

“Italy isn’t Greece.”
That’s not a valid answer to the question: Who’s gonna bail out us ?


6 posted on 07/11/2011 1:21:57 PM PDT by buzzer
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To: GOPJ

Can I Join the Old Frog Club too? I remember.


7 posted on 07/11/2011 1:26:28 PM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: buzzer

We obviously won’t be bailed out. We have a couple options.

1) Print a ton of money to pay off the debt and let hyper-inflation take over

2) Default on the dollar and replace it with another standard like gold or land.


8 posted on 07/11/2011 1:32:45 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

I bet on inflation.

I expect to pay back my 4.5% 30 yr fixed rate mortage with Baraqqi/Bernanke minibucks.


9 posted on 07/11/2011 1:34:46 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Uncle Ike

Also, Topo Gigio, the little Italian mouse.


10 posted on 07/11/2011 1:36:20 PM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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To: for-q-clinton

“Default on the dollar and replace it with another standard like gold or land.”

Land as a currency would be fun.
A: How much is that haircut
B: 15 square inches of avarage quality land
A: How about 5 square inches of premium soil in Nebraska ?
B: Nebraska ?!? I’m from Florida !?!


11 posted on 07/11/2011 1:38:26 PM PDT by buzzer
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To: buzzer
DUH, France is as broke as Italy, Greece and Spain, the EU except for Germany are broke. Where would they be if the 650 billion in fed funds were removed from the EU banks. That is why they attack Libya, trying to steal the gold and oil.
12 posted on 07/11/2011 1:40:02 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: buzzer

” Land as a currency would be fun.
A: How much is that haircut
B: 15 square inches of avarage quality land
A: How about 5 square inches of premium soil in Nebraska ?
B: Nebraska ?!? I’m from Florida !?! “

Hey - maybe that “Square-Foot-of-the-MOON!!” that I got for Christmas might actually end up being worth something...

(Now where did I put that ‘deed’??)


13 posted on 07/11/2011 1:43:15 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: lbryce

They should have listened to that old Peanuts cartoon strip.

Why are the mountain climbers all tied together?

So that when one falls....they all fall!


14 posted on 07/11/2011 1:56:53 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: nascarnation

Aren’t we safe since we already have our mortgage though? It’s the new mortgages that will kill you.

You could probably sell your house and make a “fortune”, but you won’t be able to afford to buy another place to live.


15 posted on 07/11/2011 2:04:38 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

I’m done as far as house swapping.

99% certain my next one will be a nursing home or cemetery.

Retired and got no plans to move until health fails.


16 posted on 07/11/2011 2:08:24 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: 70th Division

Welcome - you’re in ...


17 posted on 07/11/2011 2:14:46 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: buzzer
The question is: Who’s gonna bail out us?!?

There's US$14 TRILLION in American-owned liquid assets sitting in offshore financial centers for tax avoidance reasons. Change our tax laws to bring that US$14 trillion back (e.g., no more taxes on bank account interest, capital gains and stock dividend payments, a feature of the Steve Forbes flat-rate income tax plan and the FairTax proposal) and the US economy will immediately take off. Also, it means we can start to "wind down" Social Security and Medicare obligations for future generations, since American residents can create financial "nest eggs" for retirement and medical bills completely tax free.

18 posted on 07/11/2011 2:21:57 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: buzzer

Not possible. Italy’s external debt is about 1.3 trillion Euros. Spain has almost as much external debt.


19 posted on 07/11/2011 2:22:36 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: RayChuang88

“... the US economy will immediately take off.”

That is IF we do some sensible economic policy thing ... well, that requires a President other than Obama.


20 posted on 07/11/2011 2:52:49 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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