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If Perry does mount presidential run, we'll see if his walk matches his talk
Lubbock Avalanche-Journal ^ | July 10, 2010 | Editorial

Posted on 07/10/2011 3:47:00 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

If Rick Perry does mount a successful bid for the U.S. presidency, it will be interesting to see whether he can translate his past and present criticisms of the federal government into concrete changes to the sprawling bureaucracy.

Perry has yet to say he will or won’t toss his hat into the Republican race for the right to square off against President Barack Obama in 2012. He is, however, making all the moves of a potential candidate testing the waters. Insiders are mixed on the odds. Some say he’s definitely in; others put the odds at 50-50.

But the mere possibility the longest-serving Texas governor will join a party battle featuring hopefuls who conservatives and the tea party are not particularly excited about has pundits of all stripes from coast to coast offering their views of how a Perry candidacy would play out.

Perry, who’s never lost an election, has a good chance of rising quickly to the frontrunner position against Mitt Romney, Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain, Tim Pawlenty, Newt Gingrich and Jon Huntsman. His unabashed conservative message puts him at or beyond Bachman’s position on the far right end of the political spectrum. His executive experience compares well to Romney, Pawlenty and Huntsman.

And, like him or not, there’s little denying Perry knows how to campaign, raise money and deliver rousing speeches.

While polls show Obama in danger of losing to a generic Republican candidate — and the prevailing wisdom in the punditry sphere is the 2012 race is the GOP’s to lose, there is a real question whether a candidate who energizes the conservative base can do so without having his or her far-right stances turn off center-right independents, pushing them into Obama’s column.

But should Perry manage to keep his perfect election record intact and find himself in the White House, we’ll find out whether his Washington walk matches his Texas talk.

Assuming the GOP holds its House majority and gains control of the Senate, we can imagine Perry’s to-do list starting with the repeal of Obamacare and ending with a full makeover of the Environmental Protection Agency. In between, he’d likely put a host of agencies to work shredding scores of regulations he’s railed against. He’d also likely push Congress to end or redesign a variety of federal programs he views as overreaches in violation of state rights laid out in the Tenth Amendment.

Perry’s real test would be border security. He’s decried the federal government’s failure to secure the border, but the problem has stymied presidents from both parties for decades. Perry might be able the change that, but the odds are he’d merely find himself transformed from the critic to the criticized.

While some pundits question whether voters will back another Texas governor so soon after George W. Bush’s divisive two terms at the helm, others see Perry as a different sort of conservative. Unlike “compassionate conservative” Bush, some see Perry as more like Ronald Reagan.

But unlike the easy-going, grandfatherly Gipper, Perry is more like the Texas A&M yell leader he once was.

“Our loudest opponents on the left are never going to like us, so let’s stop trying to curry favor with them,” he said in a recent speech.

We’ve agreed with Perry, and we’ve disagreed with him. He’s certainly not perfect, but no candidate is. But if sending Perry to Washington would balance the budget, address the debt and rein in over-regulation, it would be a welcome change from the current state of affairs.


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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I'd like to address the "Trans Texas Corridor" and invite other comments. ... Below Gov. Perry and Roger Hedgecock discuss Texas' unsecured international border and the TTC "road."
June 29, 2011: Roger Hedgecock interview with Rick Perry (starts 1/2 way into audio file)

I listened. He states that his only goal was to clear up congestion within Texas, talking about how long it took to get between metropolitan areas mostly mentioning Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio. He said that "Texas is building highways" and did not acknowledge any of the issues surrounding the TTC. He disingenuously (IMO) states that his efforts have only been about companies moving product from Texas "to where they will sell their product," at which point he mentions Mexico, Houston, and Corpus Christie. No mention of massive toll roads. No mention of the public private partnerships. No mention of Cintra and other interests. No mention of Nasco or Nafta, or long term objectives.

What do you think he accomplished in that interview?

101 posted on 07/10/2011 1:55:40 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: newzjunkey

We also weren’t too happy about him using executive fiat, having to be among the first users (just a bit after Los Angeles), and having revolving-door links to the company involved.

...and the opt-out provision was a big-deal and he should have WANTED it fixed. As I’m sure you know, the drug was required just like any other for kids going to school and the only way to opt out, for any vaccine, was to swear that your religion prohibited the use of vaccines...something conservatives would rather not have to do.

But in the end, we’re simply PERPLEXED. Why the hurry? And given the dozens of deaths from the drug, perhaps he should have taken a bit more time, and brought the public along, in some way.


102 posted on 07/10/2011 2:00:21 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: calcowgirl

I don’t understand your problem with a toll road?

I pay tolls in Houston. I get where I want to go.

I pay tolls in other states to get where I want to go.

How do you expect these new roads to get built?

With Obama’s stash?


103 posted on 07/10/2011 2:02:02 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The toll road through Texas is a Gateway project that was being promoted by Kaye Bailey Hutchison.

Not all Gateway projects are bad, but the connection to the Agenda 21 Wildlands project makes them all suspect.

In this case it looks as though it might not be such a bad idea, but only if the local people want the road, not if it is to benefit THROUGH Texas traffic rather than intra-Texas traffic.


104 posted on 07/10/2011 2:14:40 PM PDT by Eva
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To: calcowgirl
No mention of Nasco or Nafta, or long term objectives.

No mention of that anywhere is there?

So because we’re near Mexico we’re not allowed to build road infrastructure! Really!

25, 000,000 people live in Texas. Have you witnessed the dead stop back-up on major Texas freeways as people were fleeing the coast and approaching hurricanes?

Dallas to Austin – 4 hour drive (takes longer than pre interstate days due to congestion)

As Gov. Perry stated, Texas needs a bigger interstate highway footprint; we need more lane highways between major cities.

Houston’s Port ranks with New York and Los Angeles ports. We need to be able to move products and people.

105 posted on 07/10/2011 2:15:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Eva

I added a bit in Post # 105.


106 posted on 07/10/2011 2:16:23 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry’s real test would be border security. He’s decried the federal government’s failure to secure the border, but the problem has stymied presidents from both parties for decades. Perry might be able the change that, but the odds are he’d merely find himself transformed from the critic to the criticized.

The author of this article clearly has not studied Perry or his backers over the last 10 years. Perry is not the border security proponent the author thinks he is. Whether it's because Perry's donors benefit from illegal labor or not, it's clear that Perry does not want our border to become another Berlin Wall. He understands that illegal immigrants are just trying to help their families and I think that shows what a good Christian that Perry is.

While some pundits question whether voters will back another Texas governor so soon after George W. Bush’s divisive two terms at the helm, others see Perry as a different sort of conservative. Unlike “compassionate conservative” Bush, some see Perry as more like Ronald Reagan.

Again, the author of this article clearly has not studied Perry. Having watched or read many of his speeches and editorials Perry is one of the most compassionate Republicans I've ever seen. While I disagree with him and think he can be incredibly sleazy as far as helping his friends and donors out, I will not deny that on some level, Perry deeply cares about many, especially illegal immigrants. A few years ago when he blasted Congress over lacking the "maturity" (Perry's choice of words) to allow illegal immigrants to legally work in the United States, you could sense the anger in him over the treatment of these people. When you read about how great he felt for signing the Texas Dream ACT, allowing the children of illegal immigrants to benefit from in-state tuition prices and talking about looking at healthcare for poor people on both sides of the border, it almost makes me feel ashamed to criticize him and others over their support of illegal immigrants.

It's hard to read his speeches about helping illegal immigrants without the Christian in me wondering if I'm wrong over thinking illegal immigrants should all be deported. On a certain level, Perry is right, this nation is a nation of immigrants, and for us to act like we are now, maybe that's not the proper path.

Unlike Bush, I think Perry can actually get the guest worker program passed that he has wanted for many years. Bush pretended to be compassionate, but Perry, I think on some level he is compassionate enough that he would continue the fight to get a guest worker program through Congress.

Cincinatus' Wife, not many FReepers have gotten me to change such a hardline stance that I've had for years, but thanks to you and other Perry supporters, and to the Perry speeches I've read, I'm coming awfully close to entertaining the idea that Perry is right and that we should allow these illegal immigrants to continue working here and that we shouldn't look at them as criminals, and that we should give their children the same educational opportunities that we given children whose parents are here legally.
107 posted on 07/10/2011 2:29:22 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: BobL
Just out of curiosity, did Merck try this Gardasil stunt in any other state - or was Perry the only one to take the bait?

I can’t seem to find any other states that mandate or attempted to mandate it, not even California or other left-wing states.


Texas is the only state where Merck hired the Governor's former chief of staff and friend to be a lobbyist.
108 posted on 07/10/2011 2:32:02 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
Real cute af_vet-rr. I hope you didn't spend otherwise productive time on that "oh so thoughtful" post.

You want me to think you're a doofus, then you come in here with this circuitous route trying to trick me. (laughing) You're good out there, Kendall. You're good, and it mighta worked with another host. My congratulations to you. It's a good effort. I like your technique out there. Pull the other one

109 posted on 07/10/2011 2:34:06 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BobL
Yes, Dems down here in Texas are (or certainly were) another breed - they CARED about the state and social justice was among the last things on their minds. However, Perry was helping to run a Democrat PRESIDENTIAL campaign - which, combined with a Democrat Congress would have been a NIGHTMARE for this country. Perry could have simply said “No Thanks” when Gore came calling...but he didn’t...and that confuses many of us.

You should be a lot more confused about Perry supporting a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gun control Presidential candidate in 2008 than supporting Gore in 1988. I'm not defending Perry supporting Gore, but Perry was a Democrat then. In 2008, Perry was supposed to be a conservative. It's one of the things I still have a problem with. Cincinatus' Wife and other Perry supporters are starting to change my mind on Perry's support of illegal immigrants, but the Giuliani friendship and support still bugs me because I can easily see Giuliani ending up as the Attorney General under a Perry administration.
110 posted on 07/10/2011 2:35:53 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr; All

In the grand scheme of things you should research donations made to political action committees (PACs) and direct contributions that companies like Merck make to ALL politicians. That’s what lobbyists do. They prowl the halls of government buildings across the country. (Where do you think Barack Obama’s $1Billion is coming from, the poor?)

Lobbyists start out in government—where they build up their rolodex. Then they move on to represent businesses who know it is required that they come hat in hand to pay tribute to the legislators who will be passing or not passing legislation that will be levying taxes and regulations upon them.

It is the nature of the beast — why we need to have elected officials spend less time on the job and go home to work a real job. The Texas legislature meets every 2 years for 140 days (additional days if special sessions are called).

Rick Perry’s platform in brief:

1. Don’t spend all the money.

2. Have fair and predictable tax and regulatory policy.

3. A legal system that doesn’t allow for over suing (lawsuit abuse) and make loser pay (no more jackpot justice).

With that as Rick Perry’s platform and political ideology, I conclude that Merck contributed to Rick Perry’s PAC to have less government entanglement in their business, which would do considerably more for their bottom line than what you are suggesting.


111 posted on 07/10/2011 2:36:11 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s what I mean about the Gateways not being all bad. The bad part comes in when they limit access to the highways by not adding local access in more rural along the route, which would be the true goal of the Wildlands Gateways, to limit access to rural areas.


112 posted on 07/10/2011 2:36:52 PM PDT by Eva
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To: newzjunkey
Maybe Perry should've gone about it differently but I believe he has a strong argument saying it was in keeping with his "prolife" principles and he always let parents have the final say.

You're reading too much into Perry. Merck hired Perry's friend and former chief of staff as a lobbyist. Perry does this kind of stuff for his friends all too often, and it's still one of the problems I still have with him.
113 posted on 07/10/2011 2:37:30 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

“Texas is the only state where Merck hired the Governor’s former chief of staff and friend to be a lobbyist. “

That’s what worries us. Any normally corrupt politician would still have enough common sense to not get bought out by something that goes TOTALLY AGAINST his purported ideology - so when Perry was ready to sell control of our highways to private companies for unrestrained tolling, we understood that)...just the symptoms of a typical corrupt politician (since one can claim that allowing private companies to charge people 30 cents per mile to drive is some form of capitalism, weird capitalism, but still capitalism).

But when Perry bucks conservatives to this extent (as in the case of Gardasil) just because he’s easy to buy - that gets VERY SCARY. At least most corrupt politicians still try to maintain a semblance of ideology, as that usually works in their favor, over the long term.


114 posted on 07/10/2011 2:40:18 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: af_vet_rr
Perry could have simply said “No Thanks” when Gore came calling...but he didn’t...and that confuses many of us.

You're a typical dirty tricks campaigner.

You're "confused?"

No, you're trying to confuse.

Rick Perry was a conservative Democrat and Al Gore was a different Democrat in 1988.

Rick Perry and Al Gore took different paths.

I hope that helps your "confusion."

Go ask Tipper about Al Gore. I imagine she could fill you in on Al.

115 posted on 07/10/2011 2:40:50 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Real cute af_vet-rr. I hope you didn't spend otherwise productive time on that "oh so thoughtful" post.

Nothing cute about it. I have not seen anything from Perry showing that he's changed his support of illegal immigrants - I believe Perry supports them now as much as he did in 2001, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2010.

Don't forget, it was Perry's biggest donors that helped kill the sanctuary cities bill in Texas a few weeks ago, and they wouldn't have done it without his knowledge. Deny it if you want, but the man cares deeply about these people.

A part of me still wonders if it's because his donors benefit from illegal immigrants, but on some level, I think he has to believe in what he's been saying for a decade, and I can't see him actually changing his mind to win a few votes among conservatives. He may give them lip service, may pretend to see the sanctuary cities bill as important, but he didn't cut his California trip short to come and try to keep the bill alive, and he didn't stop his donors from helping kill it off.

He still has many many problems in my view, but I'm coming around a bit, and you are partly to thank. My wife on the other hand, she will pull the lever for a third party candidate before she does for Perry.
116 posted on 07/10/2011 2:44:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

“You should be a lot more confused about Perry supporting a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gun control Presidential candidate in 2008 than supporting Gore in 1988.”

I agree. Gore doesn’t confuse me - Perry was a Democrat and he wanted a second coming of Jimmy Carter - clearly. The real question there is whether a person can change that much in ideology as an adult. I don’t think so...but we may find out.

Giuliani can be explained by the above paragraph...perhaps he hasn’t become as conservative as all would like him to be (or that he wants us to believe). 2008 was a really weak field, but still...


117 posted on 07/10/2011 2:45:28 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think you’re the one that’s confused. I’m willing to cut Perry some slack on 1988 - as you said, he was a conservative democrat as was Al Gore and I completely concede that. But in 2007-2008, I can’t cut Perry too much slack - he supported a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gun control candidate for President, and he did so because that candidate was trying to help him get his corridor built. It’s also why my wife will never support Perry - she’s far more concerned about abortion than I am and she will not forgive Perry for campaigning for a pro-abortion candidate.


118 posted on 07/10/2011 2:47:37 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: BobL
I agree. Gore doesn’t confuse me - Perry was a Democrat and he wanted a second coming of Jimmy Carter - clearly. The real question there is whether a person can change that much in ideology as an adult. I don’t think so...but we may find out.

I don't know that Perry wanted another Jimmy Carter. Texas was still a Democratic state when Perry entered politics, and Perry has always been a climber and an opportunist.

Giuliani can be explained by the above paragraph...perhaps he hasn’t become as conservative as all would like him to be (or that he wants us to believe). 2008 was a really weak field, but still...

I have a lot of problems with Perry supporting Giuliani in 2007-2008. I absolutely despise many of the positions that Guiliani has. I also despise that Perry supported Giuliani because Giuliani was trying to help Perry get the TTC built. It's a question of which is worse.

The Giuliani support was confusing for another reason to me - in 2006, Perry only got 39% of the vote, but he ran against a divided left. I would have thought Perry would have been working to shore up his support among voters after that, and then he goes and supports Giuliani.
119 posted on 07/10/2011 2:53:01 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

:)


120 posted on 07/10/2011 2:56:07 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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