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Posted on 07/10/2011 1:47:28 AM PDT by Strategy
TEHRAN, Iran -- A senior Revolutionary Guard commander threatened Saturday that U.S. aircraft carriers would be targeted if Iran came under attack amid a standoff with the West over Tehran's nuclear program.
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OK, I will cede to you the technical possibility that Iran could do serious damage to one of our carriers or another ship in the group. Do you think they are really crazy enough to want to find out what our response would be?
Honest CodeToad, I’m not advocating anyone off this turd, that would be the worst thing that could happen
It just seems those wanting to do the offing has changed.
Last thing I want is this assclown becoming another Kennedy type ralleying martyr.
But about now ya don’t think the dem party would love to get rid of obammy and say run hillary in his place?
This economic mess does not have her fingers all over it. But if all comes out I’d bet the farm she is up to her fat ass in fast and furious and gunwalker./
Obama is president
I shudder to think what our response will be
We are in big trouble if all of that is the likely scenario.
Plenty of other sources out there refer to the frequency of such exercises. Wouldn't expect anything less from the Navy, would you?
Now picture Iran with a similar strategy. Many small boats and large numbers of drones converging on the TF in those narrow waters. It’s not like Okinawa anymore. The ships have few guns and are much more fragile when hit.
Get cocky if you like but it’s not an impossible mission.
I agree with you, In wargames back in the Mid 70’s we did the same thing. Only then the referee’s ruled that all of our torpedoes missed the Big ‘E’. So we officially didn’t accomplish our mission.
Oh Well, it was a lot of fun anyway.
its who controls the release of information that matters, and how slow it comes out, and who tells it
You trust CNN?
If a carrier group is under attack I don’t think the commander will turn on CNN to see what’s what. I have never watched a single minute of CNN but I expect they would report a major attack on our fleet.
That’s scary stuff if true. I hope we have enough unconventional thinkers in our military who will challenge “the way it’s always been done”; so we don’t get get caught with our pants around our ankles like we did at Pearl Harbor.
I don’t have a military background; but fear there may be a lack of “what if” thinking such as Lt General Van Riper threw at them. That’s the kind of stuff that is needed.
Afghanistan—why are we there? We have established a new narco-state with a tin horn dictator in place. The heroin trade makes a LOT of money for terrorist groups. Two weeks after we leave, the Taliban will be executing women in the soccer stadiums once again. Plus they will have all of the resources we leave behind.
Pakistan—no war there. They have been playing both sides against the middle for a decade. And why not? We give them $ 3 billion a year to be duplicitous.
Iraq—And the point of this nation building exercise was what. Iran will take what we leave behind when we go. Including the oil. Iraq will split in three. The Kurds will keep the Turks at bay. But all of the military and other assets we leave behind will be a boost to Iran. If we donlt prevent that, do you think Iran will become more powerful?
Egypt—we deliberately let the Muslim Brotherhood gain power by refusing to come to Mubarrak’s aid, an ally of 30 years. We didnlt fire a shot, but we gave the signal there would be no intervention, so have it, terrorists!
Libya—absoluteley a war for the Muslim radicals to consolidate power. And control the oil riches, which are mostly sent to Europe. Watch for an alliance with Egypt, another Muslim brotherhood victory.
Yemen—is nothing and never will be anything.
Somalia—no war there. We have left a pirate-cracy intact in power there, where they still hold hundreds of foreign hostages, and get tens of millions of dollars from ransom, to this day, with little consequence. Where do you think those dollars go?
You forgot Kosovo, for the benefit of the Albanaian Muslim druglords.For them we actually bombed hospitals, trains, and schools—all with innocent people in them.
You forgot the Gulf War, which restored Kuwait and protected Saudi Arabia, and left Saddam Hussein in power for another 12 years, while he took potshots at our air resources daily and wore out our planes, and sold oil for food to our closest allies for a handsome profit.
Then in one day, Islamic terrorists almost decapitate our financial, miitary, and government symbols of power, killing three thousand innocent people in one day.
And the response—Islam is a religion of peace, doncha know?
Oh yeah, those Mohammedans really fear us.
And the Muslim in the White House is aiding and abetting them.
Well apparently we don't else why d we have an award "Unusual Restraint"
So were Kennedy and Roosevelt. Being democrat didn't stop a communist from blowing JFK's head off, or a socialist anarchist from killing Anton Cermak as he stood next to FDR.
Wow! One I can agree 100% on, instead of our normal head butting!
[singing] Ka-boom, ka-boom, ya-da-da-da-da-da, ya-da-da-da-da-da...
Thanks Strategy.
Consider how much trouble 2 dozen Skinnys in a dhow can cause, when we have to import SEALS to shoot back.
You do understand the difference between blowing the ship out of the water and rescuing a hostage, right?
If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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Lordy. Save us all. Not the carriers with the decks loaded with high tech fighter jets equipped with state-of-the-art missiles? Let’s go beg for mercy./sarc
How much of a radar return does a fiberglass Boston Whaler have, particularly if it has a low freeboard? Both these systems rely on an ECM signature or radar tracking. Do they still drill with using a Mark 1 eyeball over iron sights? It's a common problem, particularly in hi-tech environments, to have the Heinlein syndrome. There are very few environments that are more high tech than the USN.
"If you load a mudfoot down with a lot of gadgets he has to watch somebody a lot more simply equipped - say with a stone axe - will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a vernier."
I've always wondered if someone has ever worked out a ship board gun director system with image id and tracking, and a low light capability. The Air Force has it, do you suppose they'd share their toy? Time was when the GFC system aboard a ship was the ultimate in high tech. But, when the Black Shoe gunner vanished, so did his systems. Keep it mind, with asymmetrical warfare, the Bad Guy only has to be lucky once.
As an aside, by the time a captain gets permission to open fire from the White House, the threat will have sunk the ship and gone home for supper.
It's tough when giving a weapons free order is contingent on whether a political profit can be made.
I think the operative word here is if attacked. Is it presumed that we would attack with a minimal force? I would think that if we were to attack, It would be in force with the intention of hitting everything that could pose a threat to ships or bases in the area and to deny the Iranians the option of mounting a well coordianted counter.
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