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Posted on 07/09/2011 6:01:52 AM PDT by marktwain
its simple enuff really, when they came back and said 'Lord we have two swords' to infer that they werent speakng of figuratives...
likewise, [as Luke 22:36 was my turning point] ive searched the 4 gospels for the overall gist of the arrest at gethsemene in the very next scene from Luke 22...unless you really bastardize the text, in no way does the Lord condemn Peter for his human use of a weapon, but rather He chastizes him for attempting to alter the Fathers Plan...
all in all my earlier snippet was meant to say that we should have 'enough' armor in stock to arm those who now need, and in the future will indeed seek a 'sword'...
additionally, by being *prepared* in the worldly sense, those who have their come to Jesus moments at 2 minutes to midnight, can also find some Spiritual ammo from us as well...so by all means, happy hijackin of conversations where it is edifying...
have a great sunday Brother...
Got it! I didn’t figure you’d be much farther than 20 feet. A good strike to the face, or groin can buy a lot of time! Time is critical. Most people don’t realize just long 1.5 to 3 seconds is. I have a young friend who can walk away from a target and upon unannounced command, draw, get sights on target, and put three rounds in the zone in under three seconds using the 1911 .45ACP. Time is critical. :-) Thanks buddy! :-)
You and I came to the same conclusions! I had a discussion with the youngest son here about this earlier and we decided that based on context, it was taking the account out of context to consider that Jesus was talking about anything other than physical weapons (SWORDS!) in Luke 22:36. Enough people try to say that it’s figurative, but it’s too easily debunked.
The youngest son here also pointed out that Levitical law specifies death for a home invader (thief) at night, but not so during daylight hours!
This brings to mind Matt 24:43, where it reads (AV) -
“But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.”
Jesus taught specifically and exclusively from Torah and He knew the law with regards to breaking into a home at night. The “goodman” wouldn’t have pummeled the thief with a bean bag. He would have run him through and sliced him and diced him with an edged weapon of some sort! Jesus knew this when he spoke this parable, and people were keenly aware of it!
Yeah... good hijack... that’s what I say! :-)
You know, I used to carry “Old Slabsides” too...Say...Did I ever tell you the story of how the Glock 19 and I fell intimately in love?
I probably did, but I’ll tell you again anyway, since you asked (:^)
Originally, when PA went “Shall Issue On Demand” (gee...ain’t that a GREAT phrase to use when dealing with Public Servants?) I already had a 1911A1 Springfield Armory GI Issue .45 American Commie Popper in the gun safe.
I sez to myself - “Self”...I sez...”You should carry this heater...” as in totin’ a rod....packing heat...schlepping da Gat....
So I did. For a while. Shoulder rig. Small of back. Hip with paddle...hip with belt slide...inside the waistband (BUT - it was pointing at my crank, and THAT li’l fact was very disturbing...)
There was no comfortable way to carry “The Beast”.
So, I sez to myself “Self”...I sez, “You need another piece to carry. This rationalization took all of, oh three point seven seconds, me being the deep thinker that I am.
So I schlepped on down to the local Armory to see Fred.
Fred pointed to a just-came-in Beretta Model 85 in .380 caliber. That’s “Euroweenie Teenie Nine”. I thought - well, THIS will fit the bill nicely! Fits in the pocket, comfortable to the hand, etc., etc.
So I bought it...left the store lighter in heart and wallet, and heavier in the collection by one more piece.
So I toted the Beretta around for a bit, and I got to thinking...this is a REALLY small round, compared to the .45. I mean, it’s REEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY small. Miniscule, even...
So I sez to myself...”Self” I sez..”You need another heater...” and I went back to see Fred.
Fred, of course, smiled and was VERY happy to see me back again. I’ve given him a lot of money over the years...
Mine eyes fell upon the UBER handgun...the cool, polymer sheen - SHEEN, I tell you - of the Glock G19. THE AK47 of the handgun world.
It’s a 9mm. Of course. Bigger than the .380. Smalled than the .45 (still), but it holds a LOT of 9mm.
So....that’s how me and the Glock became compadres. Been totin’ her ever since.
And for the record, I also picked up a Glock 21 in .45 ACP. It fits all of my Glock holsters, and I occasionally carry that instead.
The backup SW642, well, that was a Valentine’s Day present for the wifey...she didn’t like it, so I inherited it. :^)
You made me laugh. :-) That was funny! :-) Thanks bro! :-)
we need to buy the gals a few more irons...hehehehhe
today im humble enuff to realize that *if* its the Lord's Plan for a certain human being to live on for whatever reason, thers no 'best round or calibre' that i can use to make any difference anyways...
by the same token, so long as i have adequate 'swords', then any of em will be sufficient if im following Lord Jesus in Spirit...
Making the rounds:
“Stopping Power”
A new study of pistol, rifle, and shotgun “stopping power” has just been
published by Ohioan, Greg Ellifritz. You can see it at
_http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866_ (http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866)
This is a respectable study, and I like the way Greg describes his own
data. No sweeping conclusions, just good, general advice.
“Incapacitation” is the hard point to pin down! We’re usually relying upon
witness statements, and the prime witness is nearly always the one who did
the shooting. Well documented perceptual errors/distortions are common, as
are personal agendas. How fast one was actually “incapacitated” after
being struck by bullet(s) varies widely with the pair of eyes involved in the
description!
Although not listed, I’m confident that there is a even respectable
stopping percentage emanating from situations where the criminal was shot at, not
hit at all, but unilaterally elected to immediately disengage and run away
anyway! Probably a significantly higher percentage with loud guns than
with relatively muted “mouse-guns.”
Greg himself acknowledges that his study doesn’t factor in bullet type, nor
brand. Hardball is lumped in with high-performance ammunition, such as
Gold-Dot and DPX. As he points out, getting a credible handle on those
details is nearly impossible, and, even when you do, the sampling of involvement
of each bullet type/brand will be so small as to be statistically
insignificant.
For example, most actual self-defense shootings involving 40S&W and 357SIG
probably involve high-performance ammunition, since neither is a “military
caliber.” Conversely, a much higher percentage of 9mm shootings probably
involve hardball ammunition, because there is so much of it around, and
also because its use is mandated for military employment.
My conclusions:
When you’re forced to defend yourself with gunfire, using any combination
of gun/ammunition, shoot with surgical precision, and even then, don’t
expect any perceptible behavioral change on the felon’s part for at least
several seconds, maybe longer! Be fully equipped, trained, and prepared to hit
him in the torso/neck/head multiple times, move, re-evaluate, and then
re-engage at once when necessary.
We carry pistols because they’re convenient, not because they’re “
effective.” We carry pistols constantly as a means of dealing with “unexpected”
threats. We carry rifles and shotguns on those occasions when we’re
compelled to confront “expected” threats.
I hate talking about “typical” shootings!
“At least once, everyone should have to run for his life, so he will know
that eggs don’t come from stores, that safety does not come from police, and
that ‘news’ is not something that happens to other people.”
Robert Heinlein
/John
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Ping!
Maybe if in doing that you blew off the perp's lower leg with a ten gauge slug. He did note that shotguns are very good for immediate stops.
".700 Nitro Express bullet and case with .45 ACP cartridge (centre) for comparison"
That's why I always tell anyone who asks, "It's what YOU are comfortable with." This article just gives more credence to what I tell them because the caliber "sweet spot" is obviously a spread, not a specific round. Our local gun stores have ranges with loaners in all the popular calibers, so a new shooter is bound to find something he or she likes.
Funny thing, for home defense people seem to often forget the humble shotgun, and this shows how much better they are than pistols for that purpose.
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“Caliber really isn’t all that important.”
“Caliber really isn’t all that important.”
But Caliber + Shooter ability is important!
“That’s a factor I did not see in his report. One Shot stopping power is something that Vietnam Vet’s will tell you first hand when facing “Charlie” at point blank range - or a WW II or I Vet - although the WW I are gone now - but a trained shooter that has experienced in high threat - high stress - environments - can use the .45 semi auto effectively with a one shot stopping capability...I , however was issued a 9mm in Iraq (officer) - and felt very inadequate with that sidearm in a heavy irregular warfare environment and wished we had the .45 cal!”
My grandfather fought Moros in the Philippines (later lost his right arm in action against Poncho Villa). Said they were issued .38’s at first—and those Moros would get so drugged up—they’d keep coming at you. But the .45, they later got, did the trick just fine.
Take your index finger, point it towards someone or something, with your thumb pointed up, make a sound like it is shooting something and cock your thumb at every shot...
That to me is a “handgun”...;-)
They gave you 15+1 rounds vs 7+1 rounds and you felt inadequate?
You’ve got 2x the chances for a nominal hit, which is by far the most important factor in, well, HITTING your target. I’ll give an edge to the 1911 trigger, but take away points because most shooters don’t carry the 1911 in Condition One.
I carry my Glock 19 in Condition One almost daily (depending on the clothing) and I never worry about being ready to use it and never worry about the caliber.
Then way are modern PDW weapons, like the P90 and the MP-7 using small, fast AP rounds? They penetrate ballistic materials better than big and slow, but the terminal performance on the body is questionable, at best.
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