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To: 556x45

Although, the ATF’s cited intention was to track the guns, instead, the feds lost track of the guns as they crossed the border to Mexico. At least one weapon was discovered near the scene of the murder of border control agent, Brian Terry.

http://www.examiner.com/political-transcripts-in-national/fast-furious-mexico-says-extradite-u-s-officials-to-face-trial-as-gunrunners#ixzz1RQhf6Old

I am not into relativism re this matter. Just because it was an inept attempt to create hysteria for gun control nutjobs, does not excuse making the BAFT into a CRIMINAL ORG.

there actions during Waco were questionable. Apparently they learned NOTHING from those investigations.
this is a LE that is capable of severely affecting Law biding citizens. The sheer fact that they were so willing to MANUFACTURE evidence should at least raise a pink flag for you.


94 posted on 07/07/2011 7:47:24 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62
I am not into relativism re this matter. Just because it was an inept attempt to create hysteria for gun control nutjobs, does not excuse making the BAFT into a CRIMINAL ORG.

If the US Constituion is the supreme law of the land, all other laws notwithstanding, than the ATF has always been a criminal organization, dedicated to the enforcement of unjust and unconstitutional laws. The CleanUpATF.org misses the point in its name - it shouldn't be "cleaned up" to more efficiently violate the fundamental constitutional rights of gun owners, smokers, and drinkers, it should be abolished entirely.

The ATF is entirely made up of gun control nutjobs in the first place, intent on prosecuting people for possession of realistic toys, malfunctioning semi-auto rifles, and 14-inch pieces of string.

103 posted on 07/07/2011 8:14:40 AM PDT by mvpel
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To: Marty62

I dont think F&F was at all based in incompetence. The running of it was but the ideas behind it weren’t. From its inception the idea, the goal was always about disarming the American people. The idea was to take one or 2 cases and let the MSM inflate those into news giving Congress cover to pass new gun laws. That was its main goal, a convert operation used to disarm us. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if some in the media understood this going it. They just didn’t report it until forced to.

Im not excusing them in anyway and never said that. I think you dont read so well.

As for Waco anyone w/ a functioning brain understands that the ATF w/ the help of our military murdered the Davidians. In the aftermath the liberals and RINOS in Congress made a show trial to exonerate them. Yet the voters seemed unconcerned. For the ATF the lesson was plenty clear. Murder of American citizens is on the menu and the sky is the limit. This is why we’re where we are today.


104 posted on 07/07/2011 8:15:35 AM PDT by 556x45
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For history on Gunwalker aka Fast and Furious, see Mike Vanderbeough’s site;

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

He’s been sounding the alarm for MONTHS on this.


123 posted on 07/07/2011 9:44:18 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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