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To: Huck
The LEGITIMATE powers of the federal government are 'few and defined'.

The fact the 'we the sheeple' allow the federal government to run rough-shod over our Constitution does not mean Mr. Madison was 'dead wrong'.

In my studies of Mr. Madison I have found him to be quite perceptive in his analysis/predictions of the abuses which could/would be perpetrated against our Constitution by unenlightened 'statesmen'.

16 posted on 07/07/2011 7:03:43 AM PDT by WayneS ("I hope you know this will go down on your PERMANENT record...")
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To: WayneS
No he was just fundamentally wrong. You can't have implied powers and few and defined powers. You can't have a government judging for itself what is or isn't a legitimate power, and have few and defined powers. You can't have an unaccountable, supreme judiciary interpreting the meaning of the Constitution and have few and defined powers.

He was laughably wrong, as he found out during the first Congress, when Hamilton and Washington used implied powers to create a national bank (something Madison opposed at the time, but then supported later as president when saddled with his own war debts.)

When you speak of "legitimate" powers, you beg the question. If Hamilton and Washington couldn't agree with Madison and Jefferson on what was or wasn't a legitimate power, what makes you think it's cut and dried? It isn't. And the resolution of such questions resides with its own power structure. First the Congress, then the president judge for themselves, finally the federal judiciary can chime in and negate or amplify or amend prior judgements.

Obamacare is a case in point. Is it constitutional? You say no. But your voice doesn't count. In reality, we won't know until it gets to the SCOTUS. The president and Congress have already said it is. Few and defined? What a joke.

19 posted on 07/07/2011 10:44:32 AM PDT by Huck
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To: WayneS; Huck

Huck writes as if Madison forced our Constitution on an unwilling country.

The fact is he was one of 55 delegates, three of whom were sitting governors, many had Revolutionary War experience and nearly all had held state political offices. Several were sitting members of the Confederate Congress.

To think Madison pushed them around is laughable.


21 posted on 07/07/2011 12:08:05 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Allowed to continue, the Living Constitution will be the bloody death of our republic)
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