Posted on 07/05/2011 3:08:19 PM PDT by harpu
As for Texas politics, I'm open to learning more about Perry and the system in Texas.
“Good Americans can interpret “natural born citizen” different.”
Tell you what, let’s agree that the best way to go for everyone is the Original Intent of the Framers, as re-affirmed by numerious USSC cases, else we are inviting chaos into the fabric of our legal/political/social lives. Of Obama, Rubio, and Jindal not one is eligible under Atricle II.
For our part, I don’t believe either Rubio or Jindal will ever announce they are running in deferance to the Constitution. As you have stated, our side has morals/principals and for the most part tries hard to stay within the law, unlike the disloyal opposition (Democrats). Alinsky, like all leftists tries to take too much credit in saying radicals need to hold Republicans to Republican values.....in reality Republicans do a pretty good job of self policing it’s ranks and need no “assist” from radicals.
The failure at each level of goverment to object to Obama before he was installed as POTUS is a blotch on our nation’s history and has placed the US into a low intensity (for now) Constitutional Crisis.
There are lawsuits in the pipeline, none of which have seemed to make it far enough up the ladder yet to be considered for hearing before our nations highest court. As is normal, the wheels of justice grind slowly (in this case too slowly for my taste). and I understand that the courts will be very selective in which case they eventually choose to rule on, because of it’s potential impact on the American political process ( can you imagine every election cycle having the electee being challanged by the loser on Article II grounds....frivilious or not? Pick the wrong case/filing/lower court decision and decide it carelessly, and we’ll be litigating every new presidential electee........think about it, I’m sure the Justices have!
As it is, I don’t doubt for one second that either Rubio or Jindal, should they ever decide to throw their hat in the ring (they won’t, but just for arguements sake), would face massive vocal and legal challenges on Article II grounds....
Sure the Dems/Obama got away with it in 2008 (so far), but you can bet the farm they won’t let any Republican attempt the same thing. Besides, who in the Republican Party would have the nerve to certify either of those gentlemen as having met Article II eligibilty requirements???
Hispanics are a funny group and to lump the various national origins together is a serious mistake. Cubans in particular are overwhelmingly Republican right of center, while Mexicans and most, but not all central Americans have a decided leftward tilt. South Americans?????? I’ve met south Americans that cover every political bent.....ya never can tell with them! That said, predicting how the generic “hispanic” will vote, given a Conservative Cuban candidate is anyone’s guess. I suspect much less than you have speculated.
A parallel example would be Clarence Thomas. Had he of had to run as a candidate for election to the USSC do you think he would have gotten a solid monolithic black vote of 90-95%? I think not. Race notwithstanding, the Black community will not vote for a conservative of any flavor.... black, brown, yellow, white or red......ask any of our black freepers.......for the vast majority of blacks you’re either a liberal or you’re a traitor to your race. I know of black people that hide their conservative views from family and friends out of fear of being ostracised by both community and kin......
I’m sorry, 49’er, but the fact that Rubio would be an MAJOR asset to any ticket is inarguable. I think he could turn a small victory into a landslide, or a loss into a win. With the Fraud in the White House, I’m not about to concede any of our best people as ineligible. I don’t believe that the majority of Founding Fathers would have considered Rubio ineligible to serve as POTUS. If WE lose this time, the Constitution is DEAD. That’s also inarguable. Bob
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Compared to Romney, Newt, Huntsman and the rest of JOKES running for President, governor Rick Perry is a rock star.
We need somebody who can WIN this thing. That means somebody with cross-over appeal, which our Palen, Bachmann and Cain (no matter how much we love them) simply do not have.
Until 1989, Rick Perry was a conservative Democrat. He switched parties as, like many Democrats including Ronald Reagan and Phil Gramm, he saw that party moving farther and farther to the left. Under Perry’s decade as governor, hundreds of Texas Democrats have followed his lead and become Republicans. As a former Democrat, Perry can speak to that swath of his former party that has become disenchanted with their party as President Obama has taken it even farther to the left, in a way that few Republicans can. He can also speak well and credibly to all wings of the national GOP, from the fiscal cons to the social cons to the libertarian set.
He would appeal to all segments of the Republican electorate and would come armed with a record of economic success and a commitment to liberty that no other contender can match.
Texas has been voted #1 business climate for the last seven years.
Texas has been getting all of California’s jobs.
Perry must be doing something right.
We need a good business guy right now.
Perry has proved it.
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CONSERVATIVE ICONS SUPPORT PERRY:
>Sarah Palin threw her endorsement to Rick Perry for governor.
Recently restated that she likes Perry
>Rush said that Perry is his dream candidate.
http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/rush-limbaugh-on-the-record-3/
>Michael Reagan praises Perry:
“If you don’t believe Reaganomics can still work in this day and age, for whatever reason, I say you should look no further than the state of Texas.
Under the leadership of Gov. Rick Perry, Texas has championed and built upon the concepts my father used to rebuild America in the 1980s..
In short, Reagan Revolution is alive and well - deep in the heart of Texas.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/24/reagans-vision-lives-on-in-texas/?page=1
>Ted nugent is a close friend and supporter.
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>Pro-life, Pro-guns, pro-spending cuts, pro-business
>He’s an outside-the-Beltway candidate
>He is not a Ivy League grad
>He was an Air Force captain who flew a C-130
>Speaks Spainish.
(Odumbo says everybody should speak a foreign language, but he CAN’T)
>Fighting with Obama on many fronts
Google Perry/Obama and you will see he’s been fighting him and his government for the past two years.
>PERRY ISSUES OBAMA A COUPLE OF BIG FUBOs:
1. “Texas to Allow Regular Incandescent Bulbs”
Reports are the governor will sign Bill HB2510 by June 19th.
Bill HB2510 allows for the manufacture and sale of incandescent light bulbs otherwise banned in federal legislation of 2007, applicable from 1 January 2012 onwards.
The legality, at least in the way the proposed law is framed, has apparently been cleared with the US Attorney General’s office.
The Bill has already passed in both House and Senate with overwhelming support.
While Texas has no current manufacture, relevant parties are being invited to restart it.
Texas has been a leading US state in providing new local jobs, and this is seen as a further contributive measure.
http://freedomlightbulb.blogspot.com/2011/06/texas-to-allow-incandescent-light-bulbs.html
2.Perry Adds TSA Anti-Groping Bill to Call
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/tea-party/updated-perry-adds-tsa-anti-groping-bill-to-call/ ^
Gov. Rick Perry this evening announced the addition of TSA anti-groping legislation to the agenda for the special legislative session. In a statement, he said lawmakers could consider legislation “relating to the prosecution and punishment for the offense of official oppression on those seeking access to public buildings and transportation.”
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>There is no such thing as ‘Perrycare’
>Signed into law sonogram and explanation by physician before abortion
>Signed into law, photo ID ident to vote
>Perry did not apply for federal “Race to the Top” education funds because he said it would force national standards upon Texas.
>He has vetoed a record 248 bills, including dozens after the 2001 session, angering many lawmakers.
>He said last year that President Barack Obama was “hell-bent” on turning America into a socialist country.
>Won governorship of state with lots of latinos
>He used to be a Democrat. So? So did Reagan.
>The Bush’s don’t like him
>He has NEVER lost an election, including an elementary school contest for “king” of the Paint Creek School Carnival. He secured that win by handing out pennies for votes.
>Perry has degree in animal science from Texas A&M University
>He is an Eagle Scout and wrote a book about the Boy Scouts, ‘On My Honor’.
Rick Perry uses the Boy Scouts to draw a battle line in what he considers a “culture war,” defending them against the American Civil Liberties Union and what he sees as a moral struggle for the country’s future.
The book also traces a 30-year history of litigation involving the Scouts — most of which they won — which Perry considers an attack on traditional values and faith in God.
Perry targets the ACLU as the primary force behind a leftist push to accept homosexuality and challenge Scouting’s duty to God.
http://www.rickperry.org/media/perrys-new-book-supports-boy-scouts-attacks-aclu
>Perry has a reputation for not sweating
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>Since Perry has been Governor of Texas, Texas has added more than 850,000 jobs, more than all other states combined. Texas has added over 180,000 jobs since August of 2009.
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>According to this web site Texas is #1 this year and last year for business friendly.
http://chiefexecutive.net/best-worst-states-for-business
Obama would not want not run against a governor that has the BEST business climate in the U.S. when everything else is in a depression.
>He refused to raise taxes when Texas faced a record $10 billion budget shortfall in 2003. Instead, he was the first Texas governor since World War II to sign a budget that lowered state spending (and has now done it twice). As governor, Perry has used his line item veto to cut over $3 billion in proposed spending.
>For seven years running, CEOs polled by Chief Executive magazine have rated Texas first in business development and job growth. Texas boasts 58 Fortune 500 companies — more than any other state.
>As America’s No. 1 exporting state, Texas shipped $206.6 billion in goods abroad last year, composing 16 percent of America’s $1.28 trillion in exports. California’s $14.4 billion in exports ranked it second, with 11.2 percent of U.S. outflow.
>Texas’ achievements so stunned Gavin Newsom, California’s Democratic lieutenant governor, that he flew a delegation to Austin last May to ask Perry how he lures defectors from the Golden State.
>Of the 70 companies that fled California in 2011, the Wall Street Journal’s John Fund reported last April, 14 relocated to Texas — these exiles’ primary destination.
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2011/06/21/opinion/nh4142489.txt
>In 2005, Perry signed a historic $15.7 billion property tax cut for homeowners and businesses that also included new taxpayer protections against appraisal increases. In 2009, Gov. Perry secured a tax cut for approximately 40,000 small businesses in Texas and protected the Rainy Day Fund for future challenges.
>He led the battle to pass the country’s most sweeping lawsuit reforms, closing the door on junk lawsuits that had been making trial lawyers rich while driving countless doctors either out of the state or the profession all together. Since Texas voters approved these reforms, malpractice claims and premiums have fallen and access to healthcare is increasing across the state as doctors have applied in droves to practice in Texas.
>Perry is also known for his socially conservative views on homosexuality, and he opposes same sex marriage. He condemned the United States Supreme Court decision in Lawrence vs. Texas, which struck down a Texas sodomy law. He called the law “appropriate”
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ABORTION:
>Perry is pro-life and opposes government funding for elective abortions. In 2005, Perry, a social conservative, signed a bill that limited late-term abortions and required girls under the age of 18 who procure abortions to notify their parents. Perry signed the bill in the gymnasium of Calvary Christian Academy in Fort Worth, an evangelical Christian school.
>Perry signed into law a bill requiring a sonogram and doctor’s explanation before granting an abortion
>In 2005, Perry signed a new law that requires minor girls to receive parental consent before getting an abortion. This law strengthens a parental notification law Perry supported as Lt. Gov. in 1999, which
helped reduce teen abortions by 26 percent.
Perry has also signed a ban on third trimester abortions, a ban on tax dollars being used to support abortion facilities, a prenatal protection act that protects
unborn children from assault, and an informed consent law that helps expectant mothers better understand the risks and consequences of abortion. Perry supports a ban on human cloning and will veto any
legislation that provides state dollars for embryonic stem cell research, a process that ends a human life.
Perry urges to keep up pressure to roll back the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion until “Roe v. Wade is nothing but a shameful footnote in our nation’s history books.
>Perry, a frequent critic of the federal government, also bashed President Barack Obama for his administration’s policy allowing federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, saying he was deeply disturbed by studies that turn “the remains of unborn children into nothing more than raw material.”
>Perry has faulted Obama for reversing the so-called “Mexico City policy” that banned giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide information about abortions. Obama struck down the policy during his first week in office, saying it was too broad and undermined family planning in developing countries.
Under Obama “our federal tax dollars can now be used to fund abortion all over the world. With the stroke of a pen, abortion essentially became a U.S. foreign export,” Perry said.
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IMMIGRATION:
>Perry adds immigration issues to lawmaker session
Perry wants passage of a measure requiring every person arrested to be run through the federal immigration databases as part of the Secure Communities program. He also wants to provide the state Department of Public Safety with the authority to make sure someone is in the U.S. legally before issuing a driver’s license.
>These measures, along with a ban on sanctuary cities, would “provide a clear message that Texas will not turn a blind eye to those breaking our laws,” Perry said in a statement.
“Texas owes it to the brave law enforcement officials, who put their lives on the line every day to protect our families and communities, to give them the discretion they need to adequately do their jobs,” Perry said.
http://www.rickperry.org/media-articles/perry-adds-immigration-issues-lawmakers-agenda-0?amp
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WHAT have other states done?? (with the exception of AZ Ok and Ga)
What have other candidates stated that they would do?
What has Sarah stated she would do?
What is Backmann’s plan?
What did Reagan do?
President Ronald Reagan was the first president in history to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. On November 6, 1986, he signed into law the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986, [PUB L 99-603]. In so doing, he set a precedent whereby the United States would not seek to deport illegal aliens, but to reward their lawbreaking by granting them full citizenship.
NEWSFLASH! None of them are going to do much.
We have to take the best of the lot.
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>Gov. Perry has made numerous requests of the federal govt. to enforce the border in Texas including handing President Obama a letter in person when he landed in Dallas last year.
(Obama insulted governor Perry when he turned away and Perry had to hand the letter on the illegals issue to presidential adviser Valerie Jarrett. Obama declined to personally accept it.)
>Gov. Perry refuses to meet/greet Obama in May 2011 at El Paso during his Texas tour.
Perry later declared, “If he wanted to meet, I was in Austin.
>Perry signed into law photo ID required before voting.
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CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS:
In what was described as a “God and country” sermon at the Cornerstone church in San Antonio, attended by Perry and other mostly Republican candidates, the Rev. John Hagee stated, “If you live your life and don’t confess your sins to God Almighty through the authority of Christ and His blood, I’m going to say this very plainly, you’re going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket.”
Perry was asked if he agreed with those comments and said, “It is my faith, and I’m a believer of that.”[39] Perry went on to say that there was nothing in the sermon that he took exception with.
Humorist and entertainer Kinky Friedman, the Jewish independent candidate for governor in the 2006 election, said, “He doesn’t think very differently from the Taliban, does he?” Carole Keeton Strayhorn disagreed with Perry’s comments, and Democrat Chris Bell said that one who is in public office should “respect people of all faiths and denominations”.
Conservatives then responded, arguing that Perry had a right to his religious beliefs, and that he was not disrespecting Americans of other religious convictions. While visiting Israel in August 2009, Perry gave an interview to the Jerusalem Post in which he affirmed his support for Israel from his religious background, “I’m a big believer that this country was given to the people of Israel a long time ago, by God, and that’s ordained.”
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ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES:
>Perry does not believe there is valid scientific proof of anthropogenic global warming. He has said several times that there is no scientific consensus on the issue.[69] In a September 7, 2007, speech to California Republicans, Perry said, “Virtually every day another scientist leaves the global warming bandwagon. ... But you won’t read about that in the press because they have already invested in one side of the story.”
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MISC:
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>He played quarterback on the six-man football team for the Paint Creek Pirates. He also played basketball and ran track.
>He’s a runner and triathlete.
>He is an outdoorsman who enjoys hunting and fishing.
>He plays the drums. At a January 2005 inaugural party in Washington, he played with ZZ Top in front of 2,000 people
>Perry has Romney’s looks without the other baggage.
Raised on a ranch.
Has hair.
6’ tall- presidential (especially after Obama)
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PERRY TRASHING:
Anytime governor Rick Perry is mentioned, Free Republic seems to turn into something resembling Democratic Underground.
Posts regarding Perry are peppered with profanity, vulgarity and downright fabrications- the likes of which is seldom seen on Free Republic.
This is hardly in the best interests of our Conservative agenda. The Loony Left does not need any help from us in
character assassination of our Conservatives.
This Perry trashing comes from the Ron ‘truther’ Paul nuts, Debra Medina sour grapers and the resident FR Libs- and I suspect, over zealous Sarah Palin supporters and a few Bachmann supporters.
(I love Sarah and Michelle Bachmann as much as anyone else, but we MUST face reality when it comes to our beautiful Conservative ladies’ chances of winning this thing!)
Freepers, don’t you think it more sensible to trust what the Conservative icons have to say about Perry?
>Sarah Palin threw her endorsement to Rick Perry for governor-. She recently restated that she likes Perry.
>Rush said that Perry is his dream candidate. http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/rush-limbaugh-on-the-record-3/
>Michael Reagan praises Perry:
“If you don’t believe Reaganomics can still work in this day and age, for whatever reason, I say you should look no further than the state of Texas.
Under the leadership of Gov. Rick Perry, Texas has championed and built upon the concepts my father used to rebuild America in the 1980s..
In short, Reagan Revolution is alive and well - deep in the heart of Texas.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/24/reagans-vision-lives-on-in-texas/?page=1
>Ted Nugent is a close friend and supporter.
Don’t you think it more sensible to trust what numerous politicians and scholars have said about Rick Perry than some haters on FR?
VISIT THIS SITE
Read the official statements of dozens of Perry’s fellow politicians and scholars (both Democrats and Republicans) have had to say about Rick Perry: http://www.politico.com/arena/archive/rick-perry-for-president-in-2012.html
All (including Democrat opponents) have called him a staunch Conservative, and not one of the dozens issuing opinions has mentioned the vaccine or TTC.
Apparently they don’t consider these things an issue. They DID mention Perry threatening to secede from the unionas a strike against him.
What Perry actually said; “You know, my hope is that America and Washington in particular pays attention,” Perry continued. “We’ve got a great union. There is absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what may come out of that? So. But Texas is a very unique place and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot.”
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>Americans WILL get it:
>Better looking
>Better record
>Rick Perry for President
Good credentials, but still 3rd on my list behind DeMint and Palin
Mon dieu!
Oh merde, that’s French not Spanish. ;d
sacre bleu!!
“With the Fraud in the White House, I’m not about to concede any of our best people as ineligible.”
This is the key to your whole arguement. They did it.... we should be able to too. I find this attitude the antethisis of Conservative/moral/ thought.
” I don’t believe that the majority of Founding Fathers would have considered Rubio ineligible to serve as POTUS.”
We could speculate back and forth forever on this one. But if we accept your take on things, that is, that the Constitution is subject to re-interpretation in view of popular whim, we will become a lawless nation by having laws with no longer have any real meaning. We may as well become the Queen of Hearts saying “It means what I say it means,” or worse yet, Democrats with the view that the Constitution is a living document changeable at a moments notice in order to persue some agenda de jour.
As a Conservative I cannot accept that line of thinking, nor would other of my circle of conservative friends continance such a position. I am surprised you do.
You are right. IMO Rubio is our best candidate for VP, by a WIDE stretch, and WINNING with the purpose of saving our nation IS paramount to me. But in any case, I am convinced that most Founding Fathers would have agreed with me. This, of course, can’t ever be proved. But I cannot see the logic in excluding a Marco Rubio. Blessings, Bob
“But I cannot see the logic in excluding a Marco Rubio.”
Read Article II of the Constitution.
Rubio, can, and will have a positive say in the course of our national ship of state, just not as the captain of the ship. Sorry.....(sometimes the baby does go out with the bathwater.)
It all boils down to the definition of “natural born citizen”. To me, I can’t imagine what would cause our FF to exclude a child *born here* of parents who were in exile, which turned out to be permanent.
We MUST win in ‘12, and if the Fiend can run, so can Marco. We will always disagree, but that’s OK. When our country collapses under a second BHO term, I will not be among those bragging that at least I stood on an arcane Constitutional principle, as I watch the original copy going through the shredder.
“When our country collapses under a second BHO term, I will not be among those bragging that at least I stood on an arcane Constitutional principle, as I watch the original copy going through the shredder.”
Bob, we got here by not standing by an “arcane” Constitutional principal, so I am confused by your comment. Obama is exactly what the FF were fearful of. While I appreciate your enthusiam for Rubio, he is ineligible under Article II, and no pointing at Obama will change that. Ignoring portions of our laws leads to the creaping socialism that has so devistated our nation in the past 50+ years.
You’re a good man, 49’er! I may not agree with you, but that’s OK. The decision is not in my hands. I’m just hoping, as I see Rubio as a man who will explode the Democrat election plans in 2012 like no one else. Bob
“.....explode the Democrat election plans in 2012......”
Now that is something we can all agree on! Cheers! Rubio can certainly assist in reaching that goal.....just not as OUR usurping nominee.
BTW Thanks......Your pretty “sterling” yourself!
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