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To: the scotsman

Roundabouts are a great way to keep traffice flowing. We go to the UK every year or so, and I’m now accustomed to driving them, but I don’t see them catching on in the US. They require a certain amount discipline and skill that most American drivers lack.


5 posted on 07/01/2011 10:02:09 AM PDT by clintonh8r (Member Emeritus of Vitriolics Anonymous.)
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To: clintonh8r
We've got a couple around here, with one at a fairly large intersection where multiple lanes have to blend into the narrower roundabout....fraught with danger, because it really confuses drivers.

Shortly after it was installed the first incident was a Sheriff's car plowing right through it.

9 posted on 07/01/2011 10:05:05 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: clintonh8r

A simple one-lane traffic circle (roundable, rotary, whatever) is easy and an efficient way to manage traffic as long as people know how to yield. But when you get into some of the big urban circles, then it breaks down. I lived outside DC for a couple years and tried to navigate a few of theirs like Dupont Circle...noooo, thank you. Absolutely terrifying.

I grew up in a small town in Virginia with no stoplights...but one traffic circle smack in the center of town. It worked great. They did add a stoplight around 1990, but it was to a different intersection. The traffic circle is still there last I heard.

}:-)4


10 posted on 07/01/2011 10:05:05 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: clintonh8r

The ones in Carmel are doing alright. If a Carmel housewife/soccer mom can handle it, anyone can.

I like em myself. And they do help keep traffic moving. It’s either those or widening roads and intersections, adding lights, etc.

The first time I ever encountered one, well, except for Indy’s “Circle” downtown, was in Grand Cayman, in a right hand drive vehicle. No sweat.


32 posted on 07/01/2011 10:19:32 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: clintonh8r

I never know when the hell to merge or change lanes, it’s confusing unless everyone uses the same rules, which in the US have never really been established, since so few places had them historically.


43 posted on 07/01/2011 10:28:07 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: clintonh8r
They require a certain amount discipline and skill that most American drivers lack.

That, and a complete lack of engineering knowledge that even I understand (and I'm not an engineer). In my town (Rio Rancho, NM), they have installed roundabouts. They're too small for any vehicle pulling a trailer, and too small to navigate safely (no reaction time for the idiot entering without yeilding, while thinking you're the one who's supposed to stop for him).

73 posted on 07/01/2011 11:10:33 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: clintonh8r
There's a town center near where I grew up where four state routes converge on a large circle drive (i.e. 8 entrances/exits into and out of the circle). The town "square" rests in the middle of the circle. Our high school drivers training class made it a special point to instruct us on the protocol used to navigate through Tallmadge Circle and the date we got to try and do it was all but circled on the school calendar.

Sometimes roundabouts are the only solution to what would otherwise be a hopelessly snarled situation and, like you having driven in Britain, I personally prefer them to the stop and go of traffic lights and stop signs. But you are very much correct about the disconnect between dealing with them and the typical American driver's skill level. A large percentage of Americans drive like they are half asleep, a side effect IMHO of the inventions of Prozac, cell phones, and the automatic transmission.

76 posted on 07/01/2011 11:11:56 AM PDT by katana
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To: clintonh8r

The problem I have found in St. Louis area is that the roundabouts are too narrow and usually only one lane, so they don’t work like the ones I encountered in UK.


77 posted on 07/01/2011 11:14:59 AM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: clintonh8r

We called them traffic circles in NJ when I was a kid...don’t know if they’re still in use or not but I always thought they were a pain in the butt.


80 posted on 07/01/2011 11:25:19 AM PDT by pgkdan (Time for a Cain Mutiny!)
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To: clintonh8r
They require a certain amount discipline ...

Words of gold right there ...words of gold. In the countries that I have traveled to and lived in, most countries that do NOT have roundabouts are trying to introduce them, and most that DO have them are trying to get rid of the darn bl@@dy things. What you said is very true ....they require a certain amount of discipline. Take away that discipline and roundabouts are the worst impediment to flowing traffic this side of a Redwood tree laying across the road. You just need 2-3 drivers to think they have the right of way (and traffic rules do not necessarily apply to them), and it is gridlock like you cannot believe.

Roundabouts are a bit like minefields ...they have a purpose, but muck about and they will go psycho on you.

However I find it so interesting how the countries that do not have them are trying to get them, while those that do claim the Devil himself came up with the idea!

83 posted on 07/01/2011 11:35:38 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: clintonh8r

Roundabouts are a great way to keep traffice flowing. We go to the UK every year or so, and I’m now accustomed to driving them, but I don’t see them catching on in the US. They require a certain amount discipline and skill that most American drivers lack.

I disagree. We have a number of them in our state and are developing more each year. Great for rural roads and are well used and liked. American drivers in our state are pretty disiplined and able to manage them.


128 posted on 07/01/2011 6:21:15 PM PDT by Chickensoup (The right to bear arms is proved to prevent government genocide. Protect yourself!)
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To: clintonh8r
Roundabouts are a great way to keep traffic flowing....

....s-l-o-w-l-e-y!

Limited access highways are a great way to keep traffic moving quickly, with minimal slowdowns. Usually.

The locals were talking about taking two 4-6 lane 45 mph roads that presently enjoy an older highway-style interchange, and turning that interchange into a traffic circle (roundabout). Presently, people that are heading straight generally maintain 45-55 mph on both roads. With a Roundabout, that would slow to a crawl as the massive amount of traffic had to yield and negotiate to get a position on the circle. We don't need more impediments to movement, we need fewer.

130 posted on 07/01/2011 7:00:25 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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