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1 posted on 06/29/2011 11:20:59 AM PDT by rellimpank
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The obvious solution is to only carry a weapon on the days that you’re going to be assaulted.


31 posted on 06/29/2011 11:39:19 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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NO we are not left to “speculate” only those who don’t like what it says do that.The right to keep and bear means just that!


33 posted on 06/29/2011 11:40:01 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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the lost city of Detroit has a dropping crime rate because people have left too.


36 posted on 06/29/2011 11:42:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Whatever possesses a person to get all obsessed about "carrying" while living and working in ZIP codes where the incidence of violent crime is minuscule? Some say there is a need for concealed carry in these areas because you never know when there might be a need for self-protection from attack by an itinerant vicious assailant.

Tell that to the four people who were murdered in a Long Island pharmacy last week by a criminal intent on stealing prescription painkillers.

Oh, I forgot, you can't tell them, because they are all dead. What a difference it would have made if some or all of them had been "carrying".

39 posted on 06/29/2011 11:45:02 AM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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"Life would be a whole lot simpler if our omniscient Founding Fathers had left us a Constitution replete with footnotes, references and Cliffs Notes so it would be clear to all concerned how to correlate the intent of their 1776 utterances with the realities of 2011."


They did: First they gave us an owner's manual called "The Federalist Papers" plus they left many statements giving their intentions quite succinctly.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- Thomas Jefferson Papers (C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

"They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as they are injurious to others." -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia (1781-1785).

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." -Thomas Jefferson.

"Those who beat their guns into plowshares invariably end up plowing for those who didn't" -Thomas Jefferson

"(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -James Madison.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defense..." -John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).

"...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. ...Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them." -Thomas Paine.

"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p322.

"Experience has shswn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson, Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).

"To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them..." -George Mason

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8.

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined...The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun. -Patrick Henry.

"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" -Patrick Henry

"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them..." -Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788).

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." -Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.

"...the people have a right to keep and bear arms." -Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185.

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms." -Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169.

"The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age..." -Title 10, Section 311 of the U.S. Code.

"The people are nor to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." -Zachariah Johnson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -Thomas Jefferson, 'Proposal Virginia Constitution'
,br> "If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government..."-Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28).

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." -Tench Coxe, Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution, under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1989
,br> "The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States...Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America." -Benjamin Franklin

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States." -Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the federal Constitution (1787) in Pamphlets to the Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888).


42 posted on 06/29/2011 11:53:13 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Can you afford to board the Chattanooga Choo-Choo?)
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Whatever possesses a person to get all obsessed about "carrying" while living and working in ZIP codes where the incidence of violent crime is minuscule?

gotta have some way to take care of minuscule.
53 posted on 06/29/2011 12:15:39 PM PDT by stylin19a
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Another child hijacks Mom’s computer while she’s out shopping.


58 posted on 06/29/2011 12:31:40 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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With crime rates falling in even our toughest neighborhoods,

Isn’t it amazing how leftists are supposed to be the brightest bulbs on the block and they cannot grasp the simple idea that it’s the fact that more areas allow concealed carry that is making these areas safer?

What can’t they understand about the concept of deterrence?

64 posted on 06/29/2011 1:24:42 PM PDT by HammerT (Buy them so they CAN'T Ban them!)
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Whoa, Ridley, dude - what color is the sky on your planet?


65 posted on 06/29/2011 1:42:30 PM PDT by pigsmith
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With crime rates falling in even our toughest neighborhoods, who besides paramilitary militias could possibly conceive of a clear and present danger that daily necessitates carrying a gun?

If I saw a "clear and present danger", I'd carry this, rather than my puny handgun:

Fortunately, I haven't seen a clear and present danger yet, so ordinary precautions are appropriate.

67 posted on 06/29/2011 1:51:22 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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Folks, do not buy this crime rate falling nonsense. 35 to 40 percent of all police departments DO NOT report their UCR stats to the FBI, who is generally the go to source on the nations crime rates.

Also some departments are classifying crimes differently in an attempt to keep the stats down. For instance, 15 cars broken into in on one lot. 15 car burglaries right? Wrong. Thats one incident.

Not that it’s an issue here, but if you know a friend that is not carrying, make a serious effort to change their mind.

The whole flashmob phenomenon is most likely here to stay. In fact, it has always been here, it just has not been reported.


73 posted on 06/29/2011 4:59:21 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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