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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Your statement reminds me of the famous quote of Admiral Cunningham of the British Navy, "It takes three years to build a ship, it takes three centuries to build a tradition"

The Imperial Japanese Navy needed a lot less than three centuries to take care of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse in 1941. Bottom line is that like Japan in the interwar years, China has built up a large navy. If we decide to oppose their policy of gradual territorial annexation at the expense of their neighbors, I expect our sailors will run into a lot of unpleasant surprises, much as they (and the Royal Navy) did against the Imperial Japanese Navy during WWII.

57 posted on 06/30/2011 6:15:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

I agree Zhang. I mean the Japanese went fromo horse calvery with bows and arrows and muskets in 1865 to a Navy capable of defeating the Russian Navy in 1912, the Russo Japanese war.What a shock to the world that was.

No, the Red Chinese Navy would be no push over in a prolonged naval engagement, which is what the Red Chinese would make sure it would be.


60 posted on 06/30/2011 10:23:48 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Zhang Fei
"China has built up a large navy."

Let's keep in mind that it was less than 40 years ago when China's Navy got beat up by Vietnam's Navy. Let's not make China's Navy out to be some juggernaut. Is this a concerning trend? Yes, absolutely. A further reason why we need to get our economic house in order so that we can spend appropriate amounts of money in defense to stay at the top. But there is no way in hell that the Chinese Navy can even think about challenging us on the seas and this dilapidated aircraft carrier does not change that equation. Keep in mind that doing these things will also have an effect on the plans of our partners in the region. The Indian, South Korean and Japanese navy are not going to sit still while China builds up her Navy. Will steps like this have an effect in 20 years? Remains to be seen.
63 posted on 07/01/2011 5:21:29 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Zhang Fei

Re: The Imperial Japanese Navy needed a lot less than three centuries to take care of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse in 1941. Bottom line is that like Japan in the interwar years, China has built up a large navy. If we decide to oppose their policy of gradual territorial annexation at the expense of their neighbors, I expect our sailors will run into a lot of unpleasant surprises, much as they (and the Royal Navy) did against the Imperial Japanese Navy during WWII.

Patriotism is one thing and truth and reality is quite another. Meaning there will be “Cuban Missile Crises incidents” between the USN and that of the PLA-N in the Asia Pacific theatre, no doubt.

But, being that it’s probably nuts for the two to even consider cranking up the guns aboard their cruisers and their destroyers because doing so would ultimately evolve into a nuke stand off and from a nuke stand off the potentials of a full blown nuke exchange that it would be nothing more but a war of words coming from out of both the US and China in any face off.

The Chinese of course [will pull out all of the stops] because American involvement in the region interferes with what Chinese logic terms as their “CORE INTEREST”, aka, similar to how it is that the USSR’s stationing of nukes in Cuba becomes America’s core interest.

The Americans however have their own “CORE INTERESTS” to think about and that American core interest is that she is finally accessible to the Chinese, a variable in vulnerability never before faced by the Americans others than those of the USSR.

I mean if you were China or if you were America, what are your only options? That answer is clear — America won’t intervene directly but, she will support all who have a beef with the Chinese by arming them.

I mean hell, after any such conflict, i.e., the Korean war for examples, it took China two and a half decades to pay off all of the military hardware’s they got from the Soviets to fight in the Korean war while the masses were requested to tighten their belts therefore imagine the incomes plus interest that’ll be coming in from the Pinoy boys as well as the VC’s to American suppliers after the war is over.

Because of the about you are screwed if you do and you are screwed if you don’t scenario faced by both the Chinese and the American, their only recourse in the future is compromises and allow the core interests of both parties to run amok in the world of politics. In other words: Yes, “Superfusion” is and will become a reality and it’ll happen between 2050 and 2100. It could happen even beyond our wildest of dreams — tomorrow, the day after tomorrow, in 2012, maybe even 2013. I mean that’s a wild card I’m not willing to call.


68 posted on 07/01/2011 11:28:08 AM PDT by EdisonOne (http://www.channel4.com/dia/images/Channel4/c4-news/MAY/04/04_helicopter_r_k.jpg)
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