Plain and simple. The facts don't back that up. The facts are Palin and RINO Republicans pulled out all the stops for John McCain. Well, they were successful. If Palin and those RINO Republicans hadn't jumped in to help John, you COULD say Hayworth lost it on his own. As it is, that just isn't true and you know it.
If Hayworth was so great, why didn't the Tea Party support him? Oh, I forget. You give Palin credit for making sure the Tea Party didn't. Show me the proof Palin interceded on McCain's behalf with the Tea Party. If you don't remember Palin showing up at Tea Party events and claiming that she and John were one with them, then your memory is defective. Don't blame me for that.
As far as the garbage, you'd best go back and check the posts because you will see that *I* (as well as most Palin supporters) supported Hayworth. As far as your silly, hysterical whine about 'implying' more about Hayworth's loss, give me a break. I'm not giving you a break, as if you deserved one. You made untrue comments and I've pointed out why they were untrue. Now deal with it.
The man LOST because of his own campaign failures and the record that got him voted out of his previous seat. The state was moving more Left. As I understand it his reapportioned seat left him without a base. As for him losing because of his own campaign failures, he couldn't get Republicans to come out and make appearances with him. They were dedicated to making sure the Lion of Arizona would return with his seniority, so he could do more damage with it. Being ignorant of that dynamic isn't very flattering to you.
By trashing Hayworth for not being able to win of the likes of McCain, you forgot to mention Palin's actions connected to this election. You can't make one comment, then get excited when someone brings up a major player and issue that you didn't. Don't come to me trashing a Conservative for not being able to get elected, when you know damn well one of the major reasons he couldn't.
So Sarah Palin controls the masses in Arizona. Gotcha. Hayworth's own ineffectual campaign had little to do with it. My God, I feel sorry for you that you actual BLAME Sarah Palin for Hayworth losing. Not even he does. Here you go trying to dismiss Palin's part in McCain's victory. How can you look yourself in the mirror and obfuscate like that? And then you go on to say you actually feel sorry for me. LOL
McCain is not just a RINO. McCain is a Soros, Kennedy, Kerry, Tides Foundation, Leftist agenda introducing and passing anti-Conservative card-carrying Leftist RINO. As for Bachmann endorsing the ticket in 2008, that's a far cry from supporting a single man who has spent the last thirty years with his fingers dipped in s--t in Washington, D. C. What's more, you damn well know this.<>Aw, is little DO getting mad??? I don't like seeing people pretend to be Conservative and then obfuscate on Conservative issues. Ronald Reagan got mad about the mcirophone. I get mad too, and this time it's about you trying to dismiss Palin's actions related to Hayworth's loss in 2010. Oh Palin had nothing to do with it. Then why did the McCain campaign pay millions to get her spots on the radio across the state non-stop month after month? Was that because McCain knew those spots were having no impact, but wanted to blow millions on them anyway? Your premise is absurd and you know it.
Honey, you're the one who set the standard of betraying conservative values by supporting a RINO. Once again, if you have something to say, say it. Here you go again using the same smear tactics that have been the stock and trade of this thread. If you can't make a strong arguement, you try to destroy the person you're talking to. Good luck with that.
That's across the board, honey. Too bad you seem willing to make exceptions when it justifies YOUR definition, huh. Once more, you still haven't said anything of merit. Once more you insinuate that I have done something wrong without saying what it is, so I can respond. THIS is what you consider to be the actions and tactics of a Conservative?
If you've got something to say Ace, say it.
You already said it, Sparky, by defining YOUR conservatism. Once again, you are displaying that you are not willing to discuss matters in a reasoned adult manner. You dismiss things the person you support did. You watch as people slander good Conservatives. And now you have stated directly that I have supported a RINO and thus my Conservative credentials are in question.
You're an ass. You tossed out that baggage comment to make it sound as if Hayworth had done something either illegal, an offense of Congressional rules, or of such significance that he didn't deserve to be elected back to public office. You just didn't want to get called on it. Well, I'm calling you on it. What did J. D. Hayworth do that reaches the level of John McCain's whole thirty years Congressional and Senate activity on behalf of Leftist ideology?
Wow you really love to project don't you? I have no damn clue what charges were even leveled at Hayworth. His baggage is HE COULDN'T WIN RE-ELECTION to his OWN SEAT! My God, are you thick. You are one dim manipulating propagandist individual. Not winning an election is not what most people would typically think of as 'his baggage'. What's more you know it and are being misleading, or you don't know it and are displaying a lack of comprehension skills.
That propagandist ploy didn't fly over my head, and I'm calling you on it.
What the hell are you pulling out of your rear now? Leftist ploy? Or are you trying to read people's minds again? Or wait, hearts. My bad. Whatever it is, it's sure better quality stuff than you've been pulling out of yours. You stated that Hayworth had baggage going into 2010. Baggage in this connotation is generally accepted by people to mean something bad he had done. Losing a prior election is not something that is typically thought of as baggage. So the inference is that Hayworth had done something wrong, but when called on it you could claim you only meant he had lost an election. You're playing games here. Either that our you're in over your head discussing this political matter.
You post this tripe against Hayworth and defending supporting McCain, but in your mind I'm the creepy one?
Tripe? Look at how hysterical you are about an election loss. I'm addressing reality, and you are dismissing it as hysteria. As far off the mark as you are here, you're the one reaching the level of hysteria, trying to defend the defenseless comments you have made.
You should really up the Lithium. Once again, you are dimissive of facts. You can try to belittle me all you like, but you can't change the facts.
Let me be clear again and see if you understand... I did not support Palin's endorsement of McCain. Understanding why she did it is NOT being ok with it. But you fail to grasp that concept. Again, check your meds. You have stated numerous times, or have inferred numerous times that Palin's actions on behalf of McCain didn't accomplish anything. So what we're left with, is the fact that you cannot deal with the reality that Palin came to the state and campaigned for McCain. You can't deal with the fact that she misrepresented McCain from the platform of Tea Party events. She also created spots that McCain played on the air throughout the state for months on end. So let's do be clear. You are dimissing the impact of Palin in the state, yet stating that you did not approve of her doing it. Then why try to deminish what she did, what she contributed to, the efforts she went to, the constant persence in the state on behalf of McCain aired on media outlets?
If you don't support something, you don't try to demish what it was that took place. You admit to what took place, acknowledge the damage it did, and cease trying to shift that damage onto other innocent people. Palin sold out you and I and Hayworth. That is not Hayworth's fault. His loss was most certainly not even close to being exclusively of his own doing.
You tried to score points based on my comment about what you know to be right in your heart, and you respond that was rather creepy. Then you talk about my underwear. In fact you even describe me as getting my panties in a twist. I'm trying to understand you envisioning that scene in a good way. So far, I'm not having any success. Are you sure you're on the right forum. Perhaps you ment to sign in to, "I like to think about your twisted panties dot.com"
On the right forum? Care to ask the site owner that question, who has declared this Palin Country? Or is it the fact your poor sensibilities were offended about your panties? I don't think it's appropriate to address me in a semi-sexual manner. You wouldn't want me to try to demish you based on your sexuality. I don't like you trying to belittle me in the same manner. Did I ask you that question based on your support of Palin, or did I address you in that manner based on your abusive manner? Twisting my reaction to your insulting behavior, to make it seem I am challenging Jim's forum policy, is merely one more way you have tried to win this discussion in a questionable manner.
Aren't you woman enough to impress folks by using your intellect instead of your abilty to destroy people?
I never said Bachmann was. I never even said she is my first choice either. I have said that I like her among others, and will continue to check her out over time. I still don't like the hit squad antics on this thread, and I'm going to defend her from that type of nonsense.
Yet you were part of the biggest Palin hit squad around and had no problem with that. I have seen the charged atmosphere around here. It's not productive. It is ultimately very destructive. I am not going ot waste my time going into Palin threads and tweaking her supporters. I seldom say anything directly about her. If I have something to say, I address actions without bringing in personalities. I do not attack her. What associations I have here is none of your business. I conduct myself in a fairly decent manner, and I expect you to do the same.
Funny, you're appointing yourself to a role you condemned others for. You are one dilusional individual. I entered this thread because I was fairly certain Bachmann would be attacked here. I objected to what I saw, and I confronted people on point. Michelle Bachmann is a good person. She does not deserve to be treated the way some FReepers have found it reasonable to treat her here. She is a respectible person, and she deserves respect on this Conservative forum.
You are one of the biggest liars on this forum. Three fingers are pointing at you right now. I'll leave it to others to judge who is dealing with reality and who isn't.