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Reps. Frank and Paul: Let states legalize pot
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | June 22, 2011 | Joel Connelly

Posted on 06/22/2011 1:23:14 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

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To: Buddygirl
Were alcohol or drugs prohibited under secular law in the Bible? If "no", were there recommendations that there should be such laws in the secular code?

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And asking once again... Do you think national mj prohibition is in keeping with the original understanding of the Commerce Clause and Tenth Amendment... yes or no?

261 posted on 06/23/2011 9:56:26 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Buddygirl

Im sure a lot of people you like smoked pot.


262 posted on 06/24/2011 4:45:55 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Buddygirl

You know what’s funny is, someone who cant spell liquor trying to explain what happens to my soul after death. What Bible verse says there is a test when you die?

Also, according to Wikipedia, likker is also known as potlikker, which is the liquid left after boiling collard greens. So it is unfortunate that you are unable to hold your vegetable water.


263 posted on 06/24/2011 4:52:21 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam; chris_bdba

I am going to explain this once and for all. I read a lot. I picked up on the redneck spelling of liquor and spelled it like it sounds out. It has a nastier look about it than the word, liquor. You both think I can’t spell but as I told chris, look it up and you will learn something! You both disgust me! I am deaf and I spell better than some of YOU stupid hearing folks!


264 posted on 06/24/2011 6:11:18 AM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: Buddygirl; chris_bdba

So because you read a lot, you decided to spell something incorrectly to make a point. Seems pretty childish. Plus, as I showed in my previous point, likker is actually short for potlikker, which is the vegetable water in collard greens, so while you think you are being funny by using the “redneck spelling” of liquor (Ive never seen anyone spell it that way), you are actually using an existing word which doesnt mean what you think it does.

I didnt say you couldnt spell, I said you choose not to. And what does being deaf have anything to do with spelling? Spelling is a visual thing, you see it.


265 posted on 06/24/2011 6:33:14 AM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Buddygirl
I don't drink a lot of liquor; I'm more of a beer person.

Why are you advocating on a conservative website for government means testing for the privilege to imbibe alcohol? They'd eat that stuff up over at DU, so go post this kind of nonsense over there.

266 posted on 06/24/2011 7:06:49 AM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of FReeping...)
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To: dennisw

That wasn’t my post...but you would both be wrong about that. Many of us who are constitutionalist wonder where the constitution weighs in on this it seems to be in direct conflict with personal freedoms.


267 posted on 06/24/2011 8:48:30 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Buddygirl

But that is not the redneck spelling. Us rednecks as you would look down your nose to us do not spell it like that and is why I asked you what it was. What exactly makes you think you are so much more Christian or smarter than anyone else in the room because I have not seen anywhere in your prior posts where that is evident?

Oh boy so now just like a liberal you throw down the victim card? Sorry it does not give you the right to shop your backside like you seem to like to do so often here.If you want to play that game I can trump that. Try having one of the top 10 most deadly dieases in the country for better than 40 years.Being deaf doesn’t kill you...


268 posted on 06/24/2011 9:05:52 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Buddygirl

But that is not the redneck spelling. Us rednecks as you would look down your nose to us do not spell it like that and is why I asked you what it was. What exactly makes you think you are so much more Christian or smarter than anyone else in the room because I have not seen anywhere in your prior posts where that is evident?

Oh boy so now just like a liberal you throw down the victim card? Sorry it does not give you the right to show your backside like you seem to like to do so often here.If you want to play that game I can trump that. Try having one of the top 10 most deadly dieases in the country for better than 40 years.Being deaf doesn’t kill you...


269 posted on 06/24/2011 9:06:15 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: GourmetDan

*** hanging head*** creeping away.... ;)


270 posted on 06/24/2011 9:07:29 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Ken H

Not who you addresssed this to but I have read more than once both the King James and Douay-Rheims and I have never came across anything that specifically said there was a prohibition on anything. It does say moderation. Many of the protestan religions have taken a few passages and made them mean that but that is not the original interpretation of them.


271 posted on 06/24/2011 9:19:25 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

You are not a Constitutionalist at all. That is a conceit by the all_about_liberty_and_nothing_about_responsibility libertarians

The USA has done great and our Blessed Constitution has done great for us for centuries without the ridiculous pot smokers traipsing along in the last 20 years claiming that banning pot violates your personal liberty. You are arrogant the way you want to reinvent the way America is put together. Have a beer or two and forget your damn pot it only gives you all delusions and reduces your IQs


272 posted on 06/24/2011 9:20:15 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw
The USA has done great and our Blessed Constitution has done great for us for centuries without the ridiculous pot smokers traipsing along in the last 20 years claiming that banning pot violates your personal liberty. You are arrogant the way you want to reinvent the way America is put together. Have a beer or two and forget your damn pot it only gives you all delusions and reduces your IQs

How much beer do you have to drink to make what the federal government has done with the Commerce Clause via the EPA, the Department of Education, "hate crime" laws, the VAWA, the AWB, and various other bureaucracies and hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations look "great"?

273 posted on 06/24/2011 9:29:27 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: dennisw
The USA has done great and our Blessed Constitution has done great for us for centuries without the ridiculous pot smokers traipsing along in the last 20 years claiming that banning pot violates your personal liberty.

Over 70 years ago, we adopted an expansive view of the Commerce Clause which allowed fedgov to get its foot in the door to control education, health care, the environment and a host of other concerns.

As Clarence Thomas put it in US v Lopez:

I am aware of no cases prior to the New Deal that characterized the power flowing from the Commerce Clause as sweepingly as does our substantial effects test. My review of the case law indicates that the substantial effects test is but an innovation of the 20th century.

Your drug war depends on the New Deal Commerce Clause for its existence. So let me ask a question that prohibitionist almost always duck:

Do you think national marijuana prohibition is in keeping with the original understanding of the Commerce Clause and Tenth Amendment... yes or no?

274 posted on 06/24/2011 9:43:54 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: dennisw

I hate to correct you but the laws we have now have only been in place since the 1970’s and before that the 1930’s.In the early years of our country it was used quite a bit by many people with no problems so no I am not arrogant or trying to reinvent anything though that same thing could be said about people such as yourself. Expleain exactly how your insistance on what goes on in my home isn’t arrogant? And yes I am a constitutionalist. Now please stop with your baseless claims I do not have delusions and my IQ is just fine thank-you.


275 posted on 06/24/2011 9:47:30 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: dennisw

I hate to correct you but the laws we have now have only been in place since the 1970’s and before that the 1930’s.In the early years of our country it was used quite a bit by many people with no problems so no I am not arrogant or trying to reinvent anything though that same thing could be said about people such as yourself. Explain exactly how your insistance on what goes on in my home isn’t arrogant? And yes I am a constitutionalist. Now please stop with your baseless claims I do not have delusions and my IQ is just fine thank-you.


276 posted on 06/24/2011 9:47:34 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Ken H
Do you think national marijuana prohibition is in keeping with the original understanding of the Commerce Clause and Tenth Amendment... yes or no?
  1. I am a fan of The Tenth
  2. I believe in the original interpretations of the Commerce Clause.
  3. The Federal Gov has used this clause to madly overreach
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  5. I have no problem with current Federal marijuana laws because marijuana is trafficked across national borders and state borders all the time
  6. How about meth and coacaine0? You want that legalized via the Tenth Amendment?
  7. Are there any efforts to make Farmer John's California grown marijuana that is only sold in California,  100% legal in California? Let me know. That might sneak in under The Tenth
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  9. Say some New York researchers discover a very good drug but they can't afford the millions it takes to get FDA approval---
  10. would you approve of it being manufactured and distributed in New York only? What if someone from New Jersey buys that drug and takes it to New Jersey? How do you prosecute him?

277 posted on 06/24/2011 10:24:51 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Ken H

It appears that after you’ve had enough beer to make the New Deal look “great” you have just enough time to post a comment to FR before you pass out.


278 posted on 06/24/2011 10:25:03 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: GunRunner

I don’t advocate government means testing. But if you can’t hold your liquor, then why drink? In the end, the ones who can’t hold their liquor are the ones who usually end up in a government run program trying to either straighten themselves out or trying to kill themselves.

I don’t need it and I don’t want to pay taxes to take care of those who can’t hold their liquor.


279 posted on 06/24/2011 10:29:04 AM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: chris_bdba
Explain exactly how your insistance on what goes on in my home isn’t arrogant? And yes I am a constitutionalist. Now please stop with your baseless claims I do not have delusions and my IQ is just fine thank-you.

Your IQ is probably OK so far..... How many pot heads can do graduate level engineering or nuclear physics? What is arrogant is trying to upset Western Civilization work ethics and traditions where if you want a relaxant you have alcohol. You won't find marijuana in Western Civilization or the Bible. It is a 3rd world invader same as illegal immigrants. Mexico is where marijuana comes from and look what a mess it has been for centuries. Yes I am aware that due to breeding you can pot to grow in many other places but Mexico is where it all starts. And the Middle East has a hashish smoking tradition. Another chaotic black hole

280 posted on 06/24/2011 10:34:40 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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