Bachmann: Schools should teach intelligent design

CNN ^ | June 17, 2011 | Peter Hamby

[ejdrapes]

Bachmann: Schools should teach intelligent design
By CNN Political Reporter Peter Hamby

New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) – Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann explained her skepticism of evolution on Friday and said students should be taught the theory of intelligent design.

Bachmann, a congresswoman from Minnesota, also proposed a major overhaul of the nation’s education system and said state administrators should be able to decide how they spend money allocated to them by the federal government.

"I support intelligent design," Bachmann told reporters in New Orleans following her speech to the Republican Leadership Conference. "What I support is putting all science on the table and then letting students decide. I don't think it's a good idea for government to come down on one side of scientific issue or another, when there is reasonable doubt on both sides."

[MNJohnnie]

I’m more interested in the report this woman received $250,000 in farm subsidies.

It is a lie circulated by the Huffington Post clown posse back in 2008 in an attempt to derail her congressional campaign. Her father in law ownes a farm, she has nothing to do with it. She has consistently voted against Farm Subsides,

...Bachmann made the controversial decision to vote against a five-year farm bill. The bill, which had been vetoed by Pres. George W. Bush, won the support of the two-thirds required in the House and Senate to override the veto. Bachmann not only voted against the bill — which both of Minnesota’s senators, including Republican Norm Coleman, and six of the eight members of the state’s congressional delegation, voted for — but was also outspoken in her opposition to it, lambasting it for “exempl[ying] the very worst of Washington’s ways” and for avoiding “every single opportunity for actual reform

Perhaps this might be a lesson for the smear merchants on how you post on this website if you want to be taken seriously.

Lesson 1, You source your facts.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/269734/bachmann-s-tricky-ethanol-politics-katrina-trinko

[bwc2221]

I enjoyed your “FR is not the place for bashing Republicans (unless it's Sarah Palin)” spiel on the previous thread.

Talk about hypocrisy!

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

First, we learn she thought the American Revolution started in Lexington, New Hampshire, so we learned she sucked at learning history. Now, we learn she believes in the “young earth.” Now we know she also sucked learning science.

[cripplecreek]

I like Sarah Palin and hope she gets in the race because we need a field that’s conservative heavy. I know that she doesn’t behave the way some of her supporters do and maybe she’ll be an example of class.

[gov_bean_ counter]

Rhetorical question I know but...

Why is it ok for a national politician to have an opinion about that local school boards should and should not teach, but not ok for that same politician to not have an opinion about forced purchase of healthcare at the state level???

[dforest]

I don’t post much on Palin threads anymore. Funny, here you are in all your glory on a Bachmann thread bashing Michele in favor of a non candidate.

Hypocrisy seems to be catching. LOL

And which candidate, candidate mind you, is your candidate? Romney? TPaw? Huntsman? Paul? Just asking, because I have one. I used to get asked that by y’all a while back.

[rob777]

"There is no scientific method in ID. It is simply an attempt to replace science in the classroom with religious dogma."


You are confusing ID with Creationism. They are not the same thing. ID has its roots in philosophical observation and goes back to Pythagoras, Plato and Aristotle. It was called "design inference". Medieval Catholic scholars picked it up partly because it did not contradict what the Bible taught and because assuming that the universe was a product of intelligent design would lead to more scientific enquiry than the assumption that the universe was brought about by a combination of necessity and chance. The biggest reason for accepting it was that they found Aristotle's explanation more logical and intellectually satisfying than the alternative.

In modern times there has been a move from the philosophical approach of a design inference to a scientific approach of what is called design detection. Some of this has been the result of the meeting of information theory with modern biology. The notion is that the information contained in DNA resembles a computer code. The science of design detection is not new, it has been employed in the science of forensics and the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. What is new is applying this approach to understanding how our universe came into being.

[freedumb2003]

>>Is Bachmann a YEC? That’s the death knell nationally.<<

Apparently not. This declaration puts here in the “hey folks, let’s be reasonable here” camp. Like I said, it APPEARS to be a compromise position. It isn’t but it appears to be so.

[UnwashedPeasant]

"Big mistake. Any conservative candidate should be calling for elimination of the Federal Dept. of Education, and permanent eviction of the Feds from all activities not specifically named in the Constitution. "

Exactly! Education bureaucracy is not in the Constitution.

We need a radical Constitutionalist for President.

[UnwashedPeasant]

"I think that evolution is one of the grandest hoax ever perpetrated..."

It is just as true as Global Warming, and skeptics of both are equally extremist.

[ejdrapes]

What’s so crazy about Intelligent Design? Guess I don’t understand why all the fuss for supporting it.

[freedumb2003]

>>Let each teach what is desired, and let the free market decide.<<

You may want to consider the implications of that statement when it comes to science...

[bwc2221]

You can say whatever is on your mind. I don't care because I have thick skin.

I just thought it strange that someone who bashes Sarah Palin as frequently as you would condemn others for attacking a candidate (apparently your candidate).

Unlike you, I have never made the statement that FR should be an attack-free zone (for candidates we like).

[Oztrich Boy]

You are confusing ID with Creationism. They are not the same thing

Yes they are. Call them "cdesign proponentsists" - that's what they have called themselves.

[circlecity]

"I see, you want us to just say screw the scientific method"

The laws of logic cannot be proved using the scientific method - thus the scientific method cannot be verified using the scientific method. Empiricisim is a arbitrary starting point which does not comply with human experience.

[freedumb2003]

>>You are confusing ID with Creationism. They are not the same thing. ID has its roots in philosophical observation <<

That is the point — ID is philosophy, not science. Although science has borrowed a lot from philosophy (and some the other way as well), they are different domains with different rules, different expectations and with different value to Mankind.

I think that will be my last musing on the subject on this thread.

[Oztrich Boy]

>>Let each teach what is desired, and let the free market decide.<<

You may want to consider the implications of that statement when it comes to science...

Or Gender Identity.

[bwc2221]

“I know that she doesn’t behave the way some of her supporters do and maybe she’ll be an example of class.”

Any comments on Ed Rollins, Bachmann’s campaign manager? Care to discuss his class? You can't choose your supporters, but you certainly can choose your campaign manager.

[rob777]

Now, we learn she believes in the “young earth.”


Where does it make any mention that she supports a "young earth" theory?

[saganite]

Sorry, there are no experiments relating to ID that confirm or even suggest the theory has scientific grounding. Merely saying so or cloaking it in the guise of philosophy will not suffice.