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Bachmann just moved several rungs higher on my list of preferred candidates for 2012!
1 posted on 06/13/2011 12:36:36 PM PDT by RWK
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...okay, I’m listening.


2 posted on 06/13/2011 12:38:26 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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If a fair tax got rid of ALL tax breaks, tax cheats and tax preparers then it would be a great thing.
Don’t count on it.


3 posted on 06/13/2011 12:38:33 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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Personally I love the idea. But after seeing how Mark Crist was able to use it to demagogue his way into John Murtha’s old seat, I’m afraid it spells political death amongst the sheeple.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 12:41:53 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Just more lily livered Bachmannisms.

Last week she said she would like to support the Ryan plan but seniors don't understand that they will not be impacted.

WTH???

6 posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:01 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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I always knew she was for this. She is a tax attorney she knows how to do it. She will also downsize big gov. big time. She is very fiscally savvy and intelligent that is why the fiscal conservatives and Independents like her.


7 posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:01 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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Bachmann says her tax plan would be to take corporate rates down from 35 percent to nine percent and “zero out” capital gains tax, the alternative minimum tax and the death tax.

For one thing... Corporate tax rates are in fact much higher then just 35%. The US leads the world in the highest corporate tax rates. Period.

But Bachmann is thinking forward here. And that's all good

8 posted on 06/13/2011 12:42:04 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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Michelle Bachmann = Copycain.


10 posted on 06/13/2011 12:44:10 PM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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OK ONE MORE TIME for all of you “Fair/Flat Tax” DUMBASSES, if you do NOT REPEAL this Amendment to the US Constitution(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) the you WILL end up w/ your new “Flat/Fair Tax” AND the income tax. YOU MUST KILL the 16th!


12 posted on 06/13/2011 12:45:17 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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"But she says the main problem with the U.S. tax system is that nearly half the population pays nothing. She says all deductions should be abolished “because there is no tie to the government benefits that people demand. "

Color her gone. Another who thinks people only pay income taxes.

16 posted on 06/13/2011 12:46:41 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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Is there any conservative who doesn’t want to abolish the IRS? It will never happen, though. What was the last federal government office to be abolished?


17 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:00 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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obviously if she supports this scam she is off the ladder.

a monthly welfare check,

the federal government requiring registration of all family units.

the federal government defining what is a family unit

an ENDLESS parade of k street lobbyists asking for exemptions or preferences in prebates and tax exempt status.

it is just old irs for NuIrs.

a pure scam.

she is pandering to the rubes.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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Bachmann just moved several rungs higher on my list of preferred candidates for 2012!

Has she introduced such legislation in Congress? Has she lobbied other congressman to support this idea?

She has at her disposal the means to begin the process, but has she done anything on this policy?

A president has no power to institute a "FAIR" tax. (The president cannot pass legislation, they can only veto it).

Indeed, the oath of office of the president requires that they faithfully execute the existing "laws." (Not necessarily the mountains of regulations).

IOW as a president her responsibility would be to ensure that the current tax "laws" are enforced.

Here is the follow up question to her call for a FAIR tax.

Will she enforce the existing laws?

21 posted on 06/13/2011 12:47:46 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Changing out the tax code is a legislative agenda and not an executive branch postition.

Since the dawn of the progressive era (Roosevelt / Wilson) we have had Presidents taking office and setting a broad political agenda trying to lead all branches. It has weakened Congress to the point where they are nothing but party machines pitted for votes.

I dislike Cain and now Bachmann linking their candidacy to a specific legislative wholesale change to the tax code which has to originate in the Congress for them to even sign. The sales process for the Flat Tax or the Fair Tax is a long and complex issue for the electorate to digest and to make it have to be accessed prior to "buying" the candidate in general is reducing that candidate to a single issue person.

Repeal of ObamaCare is a given, that issue is well known, but taking a taxing method and completely changing it is a four year process at a minimum by the time you clear all the hurdles.

I am looking for these guys to say "let's send home the communists and get back to plain old America" or a similar message that basic -- not asking the voter to evaluate an entire tax code overhaul to even consider them.

29 posted on 06/13/2011 12:53:22 PM PDT by KC Burke
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...but can’t vote for it because she believes Congress would just add it to the current income tax system.

Which is why it would would have to be a constitutional amendment which does ALL of the following:

  1. Repeals 16th amendment which explicitly gave Congress the authority to levy an income tax; AND
  2. Explicitly repeals all taxes currenly in force, including gasoline, FCC excise taxes, etc.; AND
  3. Explicitly prohibits Congress from levying ANY tax except for a sales tax; AND
  4. Establishes a MAXIMUM amount for the sales tax; AND
  5. Establishes that NO ONE shall be exempt from paying the sales tax.

The political process could then quibble over what percentage the tax would be, as long as it's less than or equal to the maximum allowed by the amendment, and which items would be subject to the sales tax.

Now THAT would be truth in taxation. All Americans would then be able to know EXACTLY how much of their money is being given to the federal government.

To quote (or paraphrase) Robert Kennedy... "Some people look at what what is and ask "Why?" I look at what could be and ask "Why not?"

32 posted on 06/13/2011 12:56:38 PM PDT by StonyMan451
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I hate the ‘fair’ tax from its “pre-bate” yearly payoffs to liberal voters down to it’s ‘tax-inclusive’ rate calculation

‘Fair-tax’ proponents are as bad as liberals in their zeal for it

If we are goin gto have a tax at the cash register, it should be about 5% and ACROSS THE BOARD for everyone and evertthing (except food)


33 posted on 06/13/2011 12:57:26 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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Bachmann just moved several rungs higher on my list of preferred candidates for 2012!

Me too. Abolish the IRS.

No exemptions
No subsidies
Zip, zero, nada

This ain't rocket science. Rocket science is preparing your tax return every year.

Americans will finally wake up when they see a 23% sales tax on everything they buy.

And when the Feds want more money, and try to increase the sales tax, people will go batsh1t.

34 posted on 06/13/2011 12:57:56 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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A national sales tax makes sense. We already have the structure in place to handle it. As someone else pointed out it MUST be passed with the abolution of the IRS and repeal of the income tax.

A flat tax would make much better sense than what we have now. Throw the whole tax code out and replace it with one page of rules. But you still have the IRS. I'd pefer the national sales tax if the IRS is abolished because it takes the governemnt out of knowing what we make. It is none of their business.

Changing to either the sales tax or a simple flat tax would get the economy going again. At the same time we should abolish all non-profit corporations. Most are just scams anyway.

37 posted on 06/13/2011 1:02:48 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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“But she says the main problem with the U.S. tax system is that nearly half the population pays nothing.”

No, they pay but they don’t see.


38 posted on 06/13/2011 1:03:24 PM PDT by mrsmith
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Too many speak without indepth knowledge of the FairTax. It has been introduced as HR 25 in the house... Bachmann did not support it... hopefully because she did not understand that it is offered as a REPLACEMENT for the Income Tax and not because she is a tax litigation attorney. The bill requires REPEAL of the 16th Amendment. The Flat Tax is a headfake... still an income tax and easily returned to multi-tax rates. For starters...

The FairTax replaces the Income Tax and...

1. Ends - Filing of income tax returns!
2. Ends - IRS audits and fines!
3. Ends - IRS costs of $460 billion/year!
4. Ends - Tax code abuse for political gain!
5. Ends - Tax free underground economy!
6. Ends - Tax on businesses (creates more jobs)!


41 posted on 06/13/2011 1:06:38 PM PDT by StraightDave (.)
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Getting rid of Dear Leader is an absolute must; replacing him with Bachmann would be a dream come true.


43 posted on 06/13/2011 1:07:48 PM PDT by Spok
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