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1 posted on 06/11/2011 11:20:12 PM PDT by bronxville
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The councils statements were quite shocking especially one of them. Voting total - 6-1


2 posted on 06/11/2011 11:25:08 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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They already have this in California. They are called Knox Boxes. They are mounted near the front door of large commercial buildings. All keys to all the doors in the building are inside these boxes. Supposedly only the Fire Department has they key to the Knox Box.


4 posted on 06/11/2011 11:27:42 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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A pack of unswayable tyrants who need to be voted out of office and then run out of town.


5 posted on 06/11/2011 11:28:09 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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CEDAR FALLS, Iowa -— Opposition failed to lock down efforts Monday to expand the use of key boxes for emergency responders in Cedar Falls.

In March the City Council approved the first reading for an ordinance adopting new fire codes. However, at the time Councilman Nick Taiber objected to a section that would increase the number of property owners that would be required to have key boxes on site for fire rescue personnel to access buildings in an emergency.

The Evansdale City Council in March voted against requiring such lock boxes over concerns about security and expense.

Cedar Falls already has had an ordinance requiring the lock boxes on commercial properties that have alarms systems, sprinkler systems or for buildings with six or more residential units. That ordinance has been in place since 2002.

The new ordinance would require the boxes be installed on all of those properties, plus buildings with three or more residential units.

Taiber said it’s an unfunded mandate, adding expense for property owners who should have a choice in the matter.

“You can justify a lot of this on life protection and property protection, and I agree. But I can’t see making this mandatory,” Taiber said.

With the lock boxes, property owners place keys to the property in a box accessible only by a master key that is kept by the fire department.

Taiber also questioned whether the city takes on too much responsibility by having a key to all of these businesses.

Fire Chief John Schilling said the most basic model costs about $250. But he said a commercial door can cost $2,000, and the lock box will keep the department from having to break such doors down to investigate an alarm. It also saves the fire department time in responding to calls.

“I hear what you’re saying about unfunded mandates, but I’m concerned about safety,” Councilman John Runchey said to Taiber.

The council took no vote Monday, but Taiber was the only member to voice his opposition to the new ordinance.

Schilling said the department used the lock box keys about 120 times last year. There are currently 269 buildings in Cedar Falls that have the boxes.

Council member Susan de Buhr saw Taiber’s point about making the lockboxes mandatory, but gave the safety issue more weight.

“I think in a perfect world you wouldn’t make this mandatory, people would put them in for the safety of their tenants, but they don’t do it,” de Buhr said.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_a1947ab8-14cc-5f16-9f28-2e7d512ab0d6.html


6 posted on 06/11/2011 11:28:40 PM PDT by rawhide
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What state is this?

Our Ruling Elite is going rather far. I wonder if Americans will take it.


7 posted on 06/11/2011 11:28:40 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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And we had to put up with 8 years of the commie ‘RAT liberals whining that President Bush was trying to take away their rights. Geeesh! Where are those crybabies now?


8 posted on 06/11/2011 11:28:52 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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This actually makes more sense than might be initially apparent. The owner of the property should have keys to it. Even if you think you "own" your house free and clear, try not paying your property taxes for a while, and you'll discover who the real owner is.
9 posted on 06/11/2011 11:30:50 PM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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>> it allows for the citizens of Cedar Falls to forcefully give the government keys to their comercial properties

Strange wording (and spelling).


10 posted on 06/11/2011 11:31:56 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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Councilman Nick Taiber objected to a section that would increase the number of property owners that would be required to have key boxes on site for fire rescue personnel to access buildings in an emergency.

City can't affor fire axes?

11 posted on 06/11/2011 11:32:08 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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Come to think of it, why is “property” taxed at all? Government should stay the hell out of people’s relationship with *any* of their own property. Property ownership should be between a property owner and the property.

Why is government involved at all?


15 posted on 06/11/2011 11:37:03 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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I know the only councilman that voted no is a Libertarian, city councilman Nick Taiber. Not sure about the others?


18 posted on 06/11/2011 11:43:22 PM PDT by rawhide
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One thing I noticed is how arrogant the councilmen were when talking to the little people!


21 posted on 06/11/2011 11:51:43 PM PDT by rawhide
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Before anyone knee-jerks, may I suggest there is more here than meets the eye (or knee)?

I live in a condo complex. We have gates — big hairy gates that are meant to protect us. If we have trouble — an assault, a large fight, a huge FIRE (all of which we have had in the last few years), I want the responders (police, fire, ambulance) to get in FAST! If they don’t have a master key to get in and it is the middle of the night and the problem is way away from the gate (and thus the person who needs the help might not be able to open the gate), HOW IN THE HECK CAN THEY HELP?


29 posted on 06/12/2011 12:47:32 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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I say let the lawsuits begin. And if they come to your door, then protect your property.


33 posted on 06/12/2011 1:25:40 AM PDT by Sprite518
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The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.


34 posted on 06/12/2011 1:30:29 AM PDT by Sprite518
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Well, since the Cedar Falls government just took ownership of the properties, they can make the tax payments too.


40 posted on 06/12/2011 4:02:37 AM PDT by Nickname
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About 25 years ago, the town I live in voluntarily gave the local police keys to their businesses under the same pretense....until the top cop was later arrested for pilfering them regularly.


44 posted on 06/12/2011 4:50:27 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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Hell, just give ‘em the wrong key.


45 posted on 06/12/2011 5:14:30 AM PDT by Flintlock (Photo IDs for voters: Let the dead rest in peace!)
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This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard.
First, how incompetent is ALL government? First, ALL lock boxes will have to have a common key in order for “emergency” personnel to enter the buildings on short notice. Third, just how many minutes after these lock boxes are installed will criminals have a duplicate key made from one that one of the incompetent government employees either failed to secure or simply sold to them?

We (the sheeple) freely trade freedom and our God given rights to protect our own lives and property to the government in exchange for their protection. It’s time to end that forever!


47 posted on 06/12/2011 6:13:11 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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The citizens must have got just what they wanted, they voted for the little dictator socialists that voted for this, or maybe they did not go vote at all.


49 posted on 06/12/2011 6:40:50 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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