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Herman Cain: Homosexuality is a sin and a choice (Will this statement help or hurt his chances?)
CBS News ^ | 06/09/2011 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 06/09/2011 1:19:09 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Trailerpark Badass

Of the two male and one female homosexuals who have been my friends over the years. Both of the males were sexually abused as children by predatory male homosexuals. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that if some little boy is repeatedly forced to perform sex acts on some adult that he’s going to have his “wiring” seriously messed up. That is why deviant sexual behavior should be treated as a mental illness and fixed. Instead you have people being taught to indulge their deviant behavior. (like the mom in Canada who lets her kids cross dress and won’t “impose” gender roles on them).

My friend who decided (yes decided) to become a lesbian was overweight and lonely. She finally gave in to the lesbians who hit on her because any affection at that point was better than no affection. She *chose* to have relationships with women.

Anecdotal I know, but homosexuality cannot logically be natural behavior. The only fine line that I would entertain is where kids are non-gender defined at birth and the parents pick and they pick the wrong way. (as can happen).

The proliferation of homosexuality IMO can be attributed to coddling parents who raise kids who are allowed to indulge themselves. Homosexuality is the ultimate narcissism. It’s self-love taken to the extreme. It’s self-indulgence taken to the extreme. It should be cured and not coddled.

Herman Cain is right. He has my vote.


121 posted on 06/09/2011 3:45:55 PM PDT by Der_Hirnfänger
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122 posted on 06/09/2011 3:50:37 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: CelesteChristi
So you equate pedophilia with homosexuality?

Did you mean to write "link?"

I don't think he "equated" anything, though both homosexuality and pedophilia are sexual dysfunctions, and are "linked" in that way.

123 posted on 06/09/2011 3:53:10 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (I'm sick of damn idiots)
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To: CelesteChristi

“PS: The ‘maybe you’re a liberal’ jab won’t work on me. I’m logical, not liberal. The idea that sexual orientation is a choice is illogical.”

The belief that human behavior is logical is illogical. I base that on thirty years as a cop.


124 posted on 06/09/2011 3:54:30 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
I can't. I don't understand it. During what I refer to as ‘my time in liberal land’ (working at the Playhouse Theater), I did ask a few that claimed bisexuality what that's about. The best way I can convey what I got in response is confusion. I don't understand it, and I suspect bisexuals don't either, but I don't know. The few times I had the opportunity to ask that are not enough of a sampling for me to form an opinion. I can say this, almost every one that claimed bisexuality was young, under 25. Is that relevant? I don't know.
125 posted on 06/09/2011 3:55:09 PM PDT by CelesteChristi
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To: CelesteChristi
The article basically makes the claim that homosexuals are not de facto child molesters. Fine. I accept that they are not all child molesters.

However, I see nothing in the article that does follow-up on the long-term effects of the victims of those that are molested - by offenders of either orientation.

Which is really the discussion on this thread...

126 posted on 06/09/2011 3:55:52 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Der_Hirnfänger

Agreed


127 posted on 06/09/2011 3:57:24 PM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Morgana
works for me...
128 posted on 06/09/2011 3:57:32 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: CelesteChristi

I can explain it. It’s called indulging in your desires and or impulses.


129 posted on 06/09/2011 4:02:27 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: CelesteChristi

You’re undoubtedly a kind person. And I hope you understand that I’m damning homosexuality, not homosexuals who, in my experience, are, in every respect other than their self-proclaimed status as homsexuals, good men. I agree that most believe they’ve been predisposed from birth toward their lifestyle. But that’s not the point, is it? The point is 1) whether or not they’re right in that viewpoint and 2) if they are right, whether their displaced gene permits them to flout and escape the consequences of natural law.

Politics comes into the problem, oddly enough, mainly via Roe v. Wade—not, as one might logically expect, from the HIV influx in the mid-eighties. Liberals (of both parties) weren’t satisfied with the states’ laws on abortion-access and via a ridiculous Supreme Court legislation, declared that abortion should be legal—purportedly to make abortion safe. But abortion had been “safe” since before Hippocrates. That was never the desired result. The desired result was to remove moral restrictions. Typical liberal reasoning—if it’s legal it’s moral, meaning no consequences, no guilt.

Exactly the same “reasoning” went into the repeal of sodomy laws and equal-rights extensions to homosexuals. Like abortion, homosexuality was no new social crime. Practitioners (especially those who voted) needed a form of absolution, an acceptance of their “otherness,” so that they, too, might persist in their deviance, consequenceless.

Remove the shame, and there’s no crime, no sin.


130 posted on 06/09/2011 4:04:09 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: CelesteChristi
I asked dozens and dozens of gays years ago, and over several years, how and why they ‘chose’ to be gay.

Is this your hobby or is it work related research? Or do you have dozens and dozens of homosexual acquaintences who don't mind discussing really personal issues?

131 posted on 06/09/2011 4:04:49 PM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: no dems

Y&ou didn’t ask me, but I will answer happily anyway. That statement is moronic!! Elementary school age kids do not have attractions, same sex or otherwise. Unless they are being molested they know nothing about being “attracted” to another person, nor should they.


132 posted on 06/09/2011 4:05:52 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

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133 posted on 06/09/2011 4:06:13 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Grunthor

Sumner Welles, a major FDR advisor, chose to get drunk and then to have homsexual sex with a porter on a train. Word of this eventually got out and he was forced to resign. His political enemies leaked the info. What they did was contemptible, because Well was, after all drunk, but he was not compelled toi do it. “The devil made me do it,” was Flip Wilson’s line. But the devil only offers us a choice. Welles was too weak to resist his compulsion to act. But isn’t a man more than a set of compulsions.

Yes, I know that this argument convinces fewer and fewer people. Giving into temptation is easily than not, and the rationalization is that I couldn’t help myself. Just had to bite into that apple.


134 posted on 06/09/2011 4:07:21 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Grunthor

This could well get the MSM drip, drip, dripping on Mr. Cain until the election or until he’s no longer a factor. The MSM are big homo sympathizers, and they’ll trot out every “gay” they can to say “No I didn’t choose to get attracted to whom I am attracted to.” I hope Cain can follow up at a deeper level, which goes into the more difficult area of moral choices in the face of feelings.


135 posted on 06/09/2011 4:07:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: CelesteChristi

I had two homosexual men who lived in the house I bought. I new them for 5 years. I asked them if they thought homosexuality was a born like that thing or a choice. They both told me they had been in the gay lifestyle from CA to NY and to not ever let anyone tell me it was a born like that thing. They told me it was strictly a CHOICE.


136 posted on 06/09/2011 4:09:58 PM PDT by therut
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To: CelesteChristi

What a gay “thinks”about his sexuality is conditioned by his experience. As often as not, he is attracted to a particurlar person and the sex was only part of the attraction. It is a way to get close to that person if he/she reciprocates. A man might for instance feel attracted to both a brother and a sister, because they have the same qualities.


137 posted on 06/09/2011 4:21:02 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: CelesteChristi

I have done the research. There isn’t a shred of proof, replicated or credible evidence homosexuality is genetic. There is a mountain of evidence that is has a environmental cause.


138 posted on 06/09/2011 4:23:15 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: CelesteChristi
So you equate pedophilia with homosexuality?

Why wouldn't I or anyone else compare deviant sexual desires to one another?

Again, you're running away from the point. It makes no more or less sense homosexuality is genetic than it does that pedophilia is.

139 posted on 06/09/2011 4:24:39 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: RINOs suck

Enviromental? Wow.

Ok. I’m done.

Believe what you like. I do


140 posted on 06/09/2011 4:28:11 PM PDT by CelesteChristi
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