So, you admit YOUR dishonesty in discussion... And your trolling.
Re: “dishonesty in discussion...”
Discussion, a word Sword used a few posts back, caught my eye. Might be the key. This communication between us could be called a discussion, at least on my end. In many discussions, Party A will state “This is what I think, feel, believe, or know, and these are some of the reasons I do so.” Party B might then reply in kind with different information or conclusion and some explanation of his side. Not sure that’s happening here. You two seem to be coming at me like Party Mao in a Cultural Revolution Struggle Session, with insults, rapid-fire obscurities, hollow threats, demands and keyboard-shouting, telling me what I must CONFESS and why I must CONFESS it. Not sure many would see much of your side as “discussion”.
Both of you seem (to me) to be occasionally angrily irrational in your chapter-and-verse Shroud History recitations; you’ll never change me, or even reach me, that way. I honestly believe you may be sometimes making yourself appear somewhat foolish in trying to defend what seems to many to be little more than the church’s dirty linen, and by trying to figuratively beat what you call critical thought, logic, and sense into me. Give it up. Apparently, we live our lives to different standards; my thoughts are not your thoughts, and neither are your ways my ways. Sorry.