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To: nathanbedford
The Emancipation Proclamation was a taking of property without just compensation and therefore unconstitutional.

It is a disgusting, putrid and intolerable thought that people can be held as property! Luckily for us, their god given freedom vindicated by Lincoln and the multitude of warriors sacrificing their lives to defeat the evil slaveholders of the south. Property, indeed! Idiot.

98 posted on 06/04/2011 4:50:05 PM PDT by GregoryFul (Obama - Jim Jones redux)
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To: GregoryFul
From your about page:

Enjoy surprising people with arcane snippets from various sources.

Some decades ago there was a book published entitled, How to Lie with Statistics, presently, no doubt, someone will publish another book entitled How to Lie with Snippets


118 posted on 06/04/2011 11:26:21 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: GregoryFul
From your about page:

Enjoy surprising people with arcane snippets from various sources.

Some decades ago there was a book published entitled, How to Lie with Statistics, presently, no doubt, someone will publish another book entitled How to Lie with Snippets


119 posted on 06/04/2011 11:26:31 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: GregoryFul; af_vet_rr; nathanbedford; wardaddy
It is a disgusting, putrid and intolerable thought that people can be held as property! Luckily for us, their god given freedom vindicated by Lincoln and the multitude of warriors sacrificing their lives to defeat the evil slaveholders of the south. Property, indeed! Idiot.

And yet the prophets of Israel, beloved of God, told the children of Israel how God wanted them to treat their slaves.

Sorry, but you are thoroughly confuted, and the moral presumption of Yankee Congregationalist ministers in creating a new sin of "slave-owning" is disrobed and exposed as a sin of their own: seating themselves on God's own throne, and pretending to hand down judgments -- and death -- to their neighbors whom they disapproved.

Yankee animus against Carolinians went back to the 17th century and was already frosty by the 1730's, and I have a quote to prove it. The guts of it was, the Yankees were bluenosed Calvinists and the Carolinians were much more prosperous and not Calvinists and not bluenoses. They lived well and enjoyed life, they were prosperous and showed off their prosperity. Yankees hated that -- and it was none of their damned business in the first place.

Your moral judgment is misplaced. So stick it someplace more appropriate.

As for the Yankee ministers, their moral arraunt wound up getting almost 1,000,000 American fellow-citizens killed. So much for their high horse.

Slavery passed from the world in every civilized country but ours -- even in Russia, land of the czars and boyars -- without a civil war. So riddle me this, how did other countries manage to abolish slavery without killing a million people?

More to the point, if the Civil War was about slavery, why couldn't we abolish it peacefully? Or was it about killing people in the first place, and slavery was just a moral peg? What British screenwriters and playwrights used to call a "McGuffin" -- a pretext, an occasion, an idea not manifested, a conceit?

People who rant against the South for having had slavery 200 years ago, have an awful lot to answer for themselves, and you will find on this board plenty of people equipped to point that out to you.

126 posted on 06/05/2011 4:34:59 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: GregoryFul
Luckily for us, their god given freedom vindicated by Lincoln ...

Lincoln did not start the Civil War to end slavery; he did it to retract the secession of the southern states. In his own words:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.

140 posted on 06/05/2011 9:54:49 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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