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To: BillyBoy

I am not claiming ,demanding or insisting that the United States of America is a strict republic . You are putting up a straw man argument .

We are as a nation a republic with DEMOCRATIC TRADITIONS and INSTITUTIONS.

As for those who think this nation is a direct democracy merely look at the political left in this nation from the Democrat party onwards to the left end of the political spectrum.

They proclaim that America is a “DEMOCRACY” exclamation point, leaving the impression that this nation is in fact a direct democracy & if things don’t go as the mob led by socialist /marxist rabble rousers want then the message is that the folks who say that this nation is a republic are against the will of the people,that they are against “Democracy & freedom “ and that these people are unworthy of any rights & come the revolution they can be hunted down at will & killed.


182 posted on 06/06/2011 3:17:33 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Nebr FAL owner; fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued; Impy
>> I am not claiming ,demanding or insisting that the United States of America is a strict republic . You are putting up a straw man argument . <<

Lots of freepers have used the exact phrase "a Republic, NOT a democracy", thereby stating the United States is in fact a strict with Republic with no democracy. I am not paraphrasing them at all, I am quoting them verbatim. If are you one of the "abolish the 17th amendment" types who doesn't use this phrase, you are in the minority. Their argument is simply wrong. Cuba, China, and North Korea are "Republics, not Democracies" The United States is a democratic Republic where we the people are the ultimate source of authority. The United States governs with the just consent of the govern. It that "offends" any so-called "conservative" and they really believe that appointed legislators are far superior to elected ones, they are free to move to a country where they are not allowed any input on who represents them in the national government. It's rather disturbing that so many conservatives are "offended" by the premise that individual citizens and not government bureaucrats can make the best decisions on how government is run.

>> They proclaim that America is a “DEMOCRACY” exclamation point, leaving the impression that this nation is in fact a direct democracy"

Now you're the one who is putting words in people's mouth and paraphrasing what they say to make your point. I cannot find ONE person who has ever argued the United States is a "DIRECT Democracy", but you use those words yourself to claim they "mean" that whenever they simply mention America has democracy. Again, if "democracy" implies an absolute democracy, when people use the phrase "monarchy" to describe the U.K. are they trying to argue the Queen of England has absolute authority over the country and can do whatever she wants? Of course not.

If politicians were trying to insist America were a DIRECT democracy by using the word democracy, they would have insisted that Obamacare be put to national referendum where all 300+ million Americans get to vote on it, that gays in the military get a national referendum, that California's ban on gay marriage can't be overturned unless millions of California agree to it, etc. The federal government would have all cigarette smokers and alcahol drinkers in America vote on whether not they can increase cigarette and tobacco taxes. Chicago politicians would insist all 3 million Chicagoans get to vote on whether they can ban guns. The gerrymandered Illinois state legislature would insist every Illinois voter get to vote on their remap proposal to toss all Republican incumbents into the same districts. Are they doing this? Hell NO!

Open your eyes. Democrats, despite their party name, HATE Democracy. They don't want to let the little people interfere with their socialist schemes. They may talk about "democracy" alot in speeches to put on a dog and pony show, but they are working to make America LESS democratic, not more. We don't have enough democracy in America, we have activist judges running rampant and career politicians rigging districts so they can serve for life and nobody will be able to vote them out no matter how they govern. MORE democracy is a good thing, and democracy is not a dirty word that will lead to absolute democracy or "mob rule". It will be a cold day in hell before Obama, Pelosi, and Reid let the American people vote on their socialist agenda.

183 posted on 06/06/2011 3:50:41 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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