Posted on 06/03/2011 10:50:23 AM PDT by SmithL
Jack Kevorkian and his supporters portrayed the death doc as a compassionate man who offered "death with dignity" to individuals suffering from a poor quality of life. I always saw him as a man who preyed on vulnerable individuals by telling them their lives weren't worth living -- as I watched Kevorkian survive over the years, despite medical problems that dwarfed those of many of his victims.
In 2007, I wrote:
Fans of Kevorkian ought to be asking themselves: In that the ailing Kevorkian is in worse physical shape than many of the people whose lives he helped snuff out, why hasn't the death doc used his vaunted "medicide" on himself? . . .
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Magic Fingers, you have no idea what kind of life experiences BykrBayb and I have had. No idea. I will be short and say that both she and I have had close contact with death, illness and suffering.
And you are the one who wants Big Gigantic Huge Nanny State government interference and bring the medical profession into your life as a substitute executioner instead of taking personal responsiblity.
You’re not only advocating that doctors become killers with government interference, but you’re advocating the lack of personal responsibility and having Giant Government and “medical professions” take over, rendering people who want to commit suicide into helpless pawns subject to others’ control. People can kill themselves Right Now without changing laws (gov interference) and turning doctors into killers.
You’re a hypocrite. And although these points have been made on this thread over and over, you refuse to address them.
“I laugh at your stupid assumptions.”
No more than I laugh at yours.
I make no assumptions. I just read the words you type.
And you still have not addressed one point I made.
Not even one.
Coward.
“Words don’t mean anything...”
Yes, they do. You’re promoting killing people. That is not pro-life.
How disingenuous. My statement was “Words don’t mean anything relative to the reality of a situation you have not found yourself in.” I doubt you have a terminal illness and are in intractable pain...and unless you are, anything any of us say about what we’d do under those circumstances is nothing but theory.
“And you still have not addressed one point I made.”
It’s like trying to have a discussion with a pious stump. I’m done. Pat yourself on the back and keep thinking you’ve got it all figured out.
You can’t even address one point. You accuse me of name calling and so far that’s about all you’ve been able to do - type out meaningless slogans and call names.
I’m willing (and able) to debate specific points, you are taking the coward’s way out and refusing to address any specific points.
Doubt all you want. I don’t need you to know the truth. We offer it to you, and it’s up to you to decide whether you want to be informed or ignorant.
Words do mean things, whether you’ve experienced life or not. Your inexperience and resultant ignorance does not remove the meaning from words. Words still mean things.
Most people who face situations involving illness, disability or possible death learn things from it. There are exceptions, but they are very stupid people, incapable of learning from their own experiences, much less anyone else’s. I don’t know which group you’re in, but you’ve proven yourself to not be in the group of people who have learned about life.
So only terminally ill people can have any opinions about terminal illness.
Are you terminally ill?
It’s like leftists who say that only women can represent women or know anything about issues that affect women, only blacks can know anything about issues that affect black people, etc.
You’ve had all kinds of strong opinions about people in pain and/or facing terminal illness. You also say that BB and are not qualified to have any worthwhile opinions about people with chronic illness or pain or terminal illness.
Yet you are qualified. How is this?
Yes there are..........One method is to allow a dying patient who is suffering from intense pain to control their own morphine IV's.........
Kevorkian was a ghoul who was fixated on the process of death since he was in med school. His alleged humanitarian effort to aid terminally ill patients in their own deaths was just a front for him to be present so that he could personally observe the final seconds of his hapless victims lives and stare into their eyes as their souls left their bodies........
Assisted suicide was nothing more than a convenient "fix" for this man who was addicted to death........
“Are you terminally ill?”
Yes.
“You’ve had all kinds of strong opinions about people in pain and/or facing terminal illness. You also say that BB and are not qualified to have any worthwhile opinions about people with chronic illness or pain or terminal illness.”
Your feigned ignorance in support of whatever your point is, is tiresome. In spite of my prior statement to the contrary, I’ll try once more (only). I did NOT say you or your buddy can’t have any OPINIONS about pain or terminal illness. However, in no way do you express yourself in the sense of having an opinion, only as a pompous know-it-all whose opinions are facts. You can blow smoke up your own behind as much as you want to and convince yourself that you’ve got it all dialed in, but you ain’t gonna know till you’re looking down the barrel - I don’t care who you know or what you’ve seen, you’re not gonna know till it’s YOU. Until then, all you’ve got is an OPINION. And why you or your pal consider it any of your damn business whether I or anyone else would at some point solicit medical assistance to end their life is beyond me. Life is too short, and shame on me for wasting this much time in this pointless endeavor. I’m done with you.
I’m sorry you are experiencing physical suffering.
I’m also sorry that you are experiencing so much anger that you cannot see anything beyond your own mind. You are reading me and BB wrong, making unfounded assumptions about our points of view as well as what we each may be going through right now or in the past.
Hospice care helps terminally ill people find relief from pain without having to kill themselves.
Your rudeness and anger make it impossible to have a rational discussion, and I am sorry for you.
Every one of us will be (or may be right now) dealing with terminal illness, unless we die of a sudden heart attack, stroke or other ailment, or get in a fatal accident. Death of the temporary earthly body is something everyone faces, you are not the only one. Those with terminal illness are not the only ones with a valid viewpoint.
And since you can type, you can certainly find ways and means to commit suicide*, without the intervention of Big Gov and turning the medical profession into executioners.
*I am not advocating that you do this. I hope that you make peace with your condition and can face the end of your physical body with peace in your heart, and I also hope that you understand or come to know that your real identity is an eternal soul, and that “death” is not the end of one’s existence.
Oh enough of the histrionics. Quit pretending you know what other people have experienced. You clearly don’t know squat. You pretend that you’re dying, but not fast enough. If you’re serious about wanting to commit suicide, to avoid a natural death, go ahead. You don’t need the government to rubber stamp it for you. You don’t need to corrupt our health care system. Just swallow your bullet, poison, or truck bumper, as the case may be, and leave the civilized people out of it.
You’re so much more compassionate than I. I’ve lost patience for the poser.
Or maybe part of God's plan?
When people refuse to address any points made but only make false assumptions and emotion or opinions as though they were fact, there’s no point in “debating” any more.
I am really sorry you had to put up with the bullshit from some freepers here who don’t understand what it is like to be faced with a terminal illness. You did the right thing to just stop responding.
I had a cancer situation two years ago with 5 miserable months of treatment. It was a no-brainer to me that if the treatment didn’t work out for me, I was not going to cause my family to endure a long, drawn-out hospice/morphine haze/diaper situation.
No one can understand a decision like that unless they have looked it in the eye. Until they do, it is all just philosophy and imagination.
Best of luck to you, FRiend.
You missed a couple of points.
1. No one is advocating that he or anyone else who wants to commit suicide should be chained up so as to prevent them.
2. What some of us are advocating is that the government should not be involved in killing people, nor should members of the medical profession be turned into executioners.
3. You have no clue as to what other people on this thread may be facing in their own lives or the lives of people they care about or care for.
I wasn’t talking to you, and I didn’t miss anything.
Good night.
“Why did he live so long?”
He didn’t, he was only 82.
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