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Note the list includes things like:

"catheter-associated urinary tract infections; surgical site infections after bariatric surgery or coronary artery bypass; and manifestations of poor glycemic control."

Not paying for treatment of infection -- almost any infection can be claimed to be "preventable" -- , not paying for diabetes complications, if they can be blamed on "poor glycemic control" -- what is going to happen to those people -- if this isn't rationing, what is?!

They also consider preventable and won't be paying for accidents: "falls that result in dislocation, fractures, or head injuries; burns and electric shocks"

Everything is all your fault and Obamacare won't cover it. If you have an accident or acquire an illness that "THEY" consider "preventable" your medical care is not covered. And if Medicaid and Medicare won't pay for it, watch private insurance exclude those also -- for however long there is private insurance.

"Since Medicare enacted its policy of not paying for preventable events, private insurers have begun to do the same"

Instead of focusing on eliminating fraud and abuse in Medicaid and reforming Medicare, they are not paying for treatment, let them all die!

And as for things that happen in hospitals -- are all patients supposed to sue the hospital now?

Obamacare is worse than anything anyone could have imagined and this is going to get much worse.

1 posted on 06/01/2011 6:32:10 PM PDT by UniqueViews
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To: UniqueViews

With abortion, everything is preventable. So does that mean we will be abolishing medicare?


2 posted on 06/01/2011 6:36:10 PM PDT by Brilliant
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A final rule announced Wednesday enacts a portion of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that prohibits states from making Medicaid payments to providers for conditions that are deemed "reasonably preventable."

Well, there go the abortionists.

3 posted on 06/01/2011 6:36:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Just wait till the first time granny falls and breaks her hip in the hospital and they refuse to treat it because Medicare won’t pay...


4 posted on 06/01/2011 6:39:08 PM PDT by apillar
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bookmarked


5 posted on 06/01/2011 6:40:03 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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You’re fat because you have poor self control and eat lots of junk food. Your heart attack and hospital stay can be directly attributed to your obesity. And since your obesity is something you refuse to control, we ain’t gonna pay for your heart attack.

Just wait.


6 posted on 06/01/2011 6:41:52 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Ha! Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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No doubt that ObamaCare contributed to this.


7 posted on 06/01/2011 6:42:25 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Muslims are a people of love, peace, and goodwill, and if you say that they aren't, they'll kill you)
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What are the odds that if the insurer won’t pay for it, somehow it will become the financial responsibility of the patient? Oh and don’t forget that if it is related to pre-existing conditions-like you being obese or a smoker, it is YOUR FAULT and not covered either. REPEAL the entire egregious ObamaCare bill!


8 posted on 06/01/2011 6:42:59 PM PDT by Pat4ever (AF Vet)
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Pregnancy is preventable.


9 posted on 06/01/2011 6:43:07 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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rationing.


10 posted on 06/01/2011 6:43:28 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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Pregnancy is ‘resonably preventable’. Does this mean Medicaid will no longer cover abortions?


11 posted on 06/01/2011 6:46:41 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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Death Panels. Pure and Simple.
Media assists Demoncrats in saying Paul Ryan’s Budget proposal will kill Granny. Well, no, the HHS is doing it now.

Get the government the hell out of healthcare.


12 posted on 06/01/2011 6:47:22 PM PDT by Shady (The President has become Judas.......)
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The Medicaid list of what is preventable mirrors the Medicare list, which includes... falls that result in dislocation, fractures, or head injuries.

Oh, sweet. Under the new Medicaid rules, I would have had to pay for having my broken elbow repaired after I fell while crossing the street on an Army post. Even though the Army did an investigation and determined that I fell because it was a construction zone which I had to cross to get to the parking lot--that just confirms that the injury was preventable (they could have put the construction zone elsewhere, right?).

When you get right down to it, most conditions are preventable. Well, Obama *did* claim that Obamacare would save money.

13 posted on 06/01/2011 6:47:22 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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This list is similar to existing practice with a twist. If a hospital admits neglience or neglience is demonstrated through a civil proceeding, Medicare, Medicaid, and most private insurance must be reimbursed. The legal term is subrogation. Neither government nor private insurers will initiate the proceedings. They essentially pile on the plaintiffs case, doing nothing to contribute to the case. However, they will take the plaintiffs judgment if the plaintiff does not include reimbursement.

This policy seems to be taking a more active role. Government will probably require more hospital reporting potentially increasing costs. In addition, government may decide to become the judge of these acts. Government can just refuse to pay making its own judgment. Most of the major cases are already handled through litigation and voluntary hospital settlements.

I see this policy primarily as a tool to stiff health care providers. Health care providers will in turn pass the added costs to consumers. I am not sure anyone can provide much evidence on many minor cases. Unfortunately, hospitals cannot eliminate all of these incidents. Some level of these incidents will still occur no matter the care taken.

Welcome to Obamacare! Please answer the questions from the health care police or go directly to jail.


14 posted on 06/01/2011 6:48:01 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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I recall a meeting between doctors and Medicaid and Medicare reps, at the state mental hospital. After an hour of incomprehensible bureaucratic B.S., I asked what we could do to reduce our citation rate (i.e., we goofed and got nailed for it)--and isn't there a manual we can follow that tells what your rules are?

The reps said--'No Manual, just do what you do and we'll tell you when you violate...'

I walked out and the rest of my colleagues followed.

16 posted on 06/01/2011 6:51:26 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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Wonder if a preventable but “politicized disease” like AIDs will be on “the list.”
20 posted on 06/01/2011 6:57:20 PM PDT by dhs12345
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This is just the start. By the time they are finished...there won’t be anything that isn’t the patient’s “fault”.

The idea that any of this will “save money” is laughable...because failing to treat these issue ...will lead to far more serious ones I would expect.

They are broke. and rather than step up to the plate and honestly admit it...they gonna play games with We the People..their employers. That can’t lead to a peaceful collaborative outcome in the end.


22 posted on 06/01/2011 6:58:35 PM PDT by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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We will still sleep well as long as we know that Congress,
Obama and all federal bureaucrats will keep their taxpayer
paid gold plated medical care covering all contingencies.


24 posted on 06/01/2011 7:00:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. -- John Steinbeck)
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are all patients supposed to sue the hospital now?

Yes, indeed we should if a hospital does things like this to us:

""transfusing the wrong blood type; falls that result in dislocation, fractures, or head injuries; burns and electric shocks; catheter-associated urinary tract infections; surgical site infections after bariatric surgery or coronary artery bypass; and manifestations of poor glycemic control...
performing the wrong procedure; performing the procedure on the wrong body part, or performing the correct procedure, but on the wrong patient.""

28 posted on 06/01/2011 7:03:46 PM PDT by iowamark
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Just tweeted ... does this mean everyone to be aborted to prevent life?

After all, if no one was born, nothing medical would occur to them.

SHAMELESSLY HATEFUL Obama!


29 posted on 06/01/2011 7:04:34 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I am a US Citizen, A Patriot, A TEA Partier, An Oath Keeper, A Voter, An Auburn Fan!)
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The government is only talking about not reimbursing events which occur in hospital, for which the hospital is held accountable. The hospital will have to eat the losses for such things as falls in hospital. But will Medicaid and Medicare pay for a sitter in with each disoriented post-op patient or sundowning demented patient? No.

Will the gov’t not require hospitals to treat patient-generated never events, such as skipping three dialysis treatments or hold-mah-beer injuries? No, EMTALA will still require hospitals to treat and stabilize patients, even if no payment is forthcoming.


31 posted on 06/01/2011 7:11:33 PM PDT by heartwood
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