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1 posted on 05/29/2011 6:55:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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2 posted on 05/29/2011 6:55:57 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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For later.

The trouble is, the main way to get to the middle class is a diploma. What is the alternative?


3 posted on 05/29/2011 6:58:40 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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This was talked about on Coast-2-coast AM friday night

http://www.youtube.com/user/akcijak#p/c/4B49E4DC360B429F/0/ZK2rLwM_i6k


4 posted on 05/29/2011 7:03:20 AM PDT by Perdogg (0bama got 0sama?? Really, was 0sama on the golf course?)
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If we could get this SCOTUS decision overturned, Griggs vs Duke Power Co. then the college bubble would burst.
6 posted on 05/29/2011 7:06:34 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Kaplan is flush with cash. I know. I’ve been consulting with Kaplan Prep Test and Admissions (business software development) for over two years. And, it’s funny. You would think with all the dough and university access they would attract the best and the brightest. Nope. Not even close. All it reminds me of the the dot com bubble where html script kiddies were billing at $125 per hour. Education IS a bubble.


8 posted on 05/29/2011 7:10:33 AM PDT by NamVet71MP
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The way to cut college costs is to cut the professor's salaries and do away with tenure. That way we could get teachers who really wanted to impart knowledge. Not just indoctrinators. Cut the salaries of the college admin’s, too.

I had a professor friend who hated the teaching part. She took sabbatical whenever she was eligible. Professors get huge salaries and great perks. Teaching, for many teachers, is no longer a noble profession, it is a really cushy job. Now, before all you teachers flame me, I am not talking about ALL teachers. My professor (former) friends were all Libs. That is who is mostly teaching at the college level.

9 posted on 05/29/2011 7:14:03 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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Let’s take the BILLIONS that our government gives to third-world rathole nations and use it to knock down the student loan problem, starting with those who have been saddled with it for over 20 years AND whose yearly income is BELOW how much is owed.

WE CAN DO THIS!


11 posted on 05/29/2011 7:22:46 AM PDT by getarope (I came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass, and I am all out of bubble gum!)
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The principal reason Americans support public education is to prepare children to find employment as adults. All that stuff about literacy, roundedness, or good citizenship pales compared to the overwhelming need to acquire the credentials with which to find a job. Parents deprive themselves for decades, only to send their child to a college or university, with nearly half the coursework being unnecessary or even counterproductive and a substantial fraction more soon forgotten. Why?

Credentials. This entire system is built around the power to control who gains credentials. And who controls that game but a claque of hardened socialists committed to destroying the foundations of Western Civilization! With all that cost, all that work, and all that time spent for a rotten product, do they provide a guarantee?

No.

There is a very simple solution to this problem, one that could bring the entire edifice crashing to its knees: A competitive system of private credentials.

Envision a small shop in a strip mall: "We Test." We Test tests, and how. We Test tests are no joke, indeed; they're hard. REALLY hard. We Test guarantees that any person who can pass their tests can perform as specified with an insured guarantee. If the person you hire fails to perform to those specifications within the term of the guarantee, We Test pays the cost of hiring and training a replacement.

Any human then could use any means imaginable to acquire the necessary knowledge to pass We Test tests. Any school would do, no accreditation required. The Internet is loaded with coursework and curricula, libraries and lab-simulators. Any human with the drive and intelligence to learn on their own could then qualify for a job. No saving for decades, no brainwashing, completely transferable work, at any pace one can withstand. Any employer could then simply select from a menu of We Test specifications instead of a diploma, at any level. We Test tests.

One would think that this should have happened a long time ago, but in fact there is one thing standing in the way that makes the realization of this seeming inevitability a matter of now or never.

State licensing requires degreed credentials obtainable only at said profligate, bureaucratic and unaccountable institutions charging outrageous fees and demanding excessive time as only a State monopoly could command. Why not just amend the legislation specifying education for state licensure by adding the simple words, "or equivalent"?

As an example of how little it would take, consider my wife. She just passed her board certification exam as a Clinical Nurse Specialist in the Newborn Intensive Care Unit. She walked into H&R Block, sat at a computer, took a three-hour exam harder than anything she'd endured in her Masters' Program at Cal State San Francisco, and within five minutes after completion had her passing grade. If the private system can handle a test that specialized, why can't it test arithmetic, algebra, US history, or college chemistry? Instead of bricks and mortar, it would be e-books in quarters. Why not?

12 posted on 05/29/2011 7:30:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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There are two basic myths being peddled by academia in an effort to encourage more students to pay through the nose to attend their schools:

Myth 1: A college degree is key to financial affluence and employment stability.
Fact 1: College is an opportunity, not a guarantee. If the student takes advantage of it wisely, then he could be in a position to do well. Spenign $100,000 on a degree with no marketable skill is not an example of wisely taking advantage of college.

Myth 2: Only with a college degree will someone be able to do well.
Fact 2: College may be an opportunity, but it is not the only opportunity. There are many very wealthy and well off people who never went to college. Anyone who doubts this should inquire what a skilled welder makes.


17 posted on 05/29/2011 8:14:18 AM PDT by bobjam
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A few disciplines require college, not because of the wallpaper, but because of the knowledge and instruction in the field. College should not be discouraged for any child who gets excited by medicine, science, engineering, etc.


20 posted on 05/29/2011 8:25:01 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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I think that the problem is that some Americans have a real hard time doing a cost/benefit/risk analysis. I also think that many young people are betting that the US taxpayer will be forced to bail them out of their education debt. Why not? The US taxpayer bailed out the greedy old people in the savings and loan debacle. The US taxpayer bailed out the auto workers union employees. The US taxpayer bailed out huge financial firms. Eat, drink, drugs, sex and be merry for on the morrow, the US taxpayer will pick up the tab.


24 posted on 05/29/2011 8:44:37 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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The student loan takeover by the feds was 100% political as the result is that just four private companies were given the entire loan program to service for profit.


28 posted on 05/29/2011 9:12:16 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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>>Student-loan debt is now greater than credit-card debt for the first time ever.<<

Both student-loans and credit-card debt are voluntary loans, requested by the student. If you accept the money, then you have an obligation to pay it back.

More than one successful person worked their way through college without using student loans.

29 posted on 05/29/2011 9:13:53 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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This is because these loans are federal and guaranteed by the taxpayer. This is the current credit bubble. Without it, lending would be negative in growth.


30 posted on 05/29/2011 9:20:37 AM PDT by Revel
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College Conspiracy
31 posted on 05/29/2011 9:24:47 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Land of the free my @ss)
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Tax tenure. Defund colleges, close down at least half of all liberal-arts departments.

PhD--the P should stand for Parasite.

32 posted on 05/29/2011 9:42:00 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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Liberal elites run colleges. Liberal elites are scammers. College is a scam...


42 posted on 05/29/2011 11:06:23 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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Let’s look at some of these “students” that are in debt too. Many of the diploma mills will accept homeless people.


46 posted on 05/30/2011 4:14:58 AM PDT by IamConservative (If being a vegan is such a good idea, why do vegans try to make vegetables taste like meat?)
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Yes, more companies should hire high school dropouts, because they’re all exactly like Bill Gates who dropped out of college himself. The last thing an employer needs is some lazy good for nothing kid who spent four or more years trying learn something useful.


49 posted on 05/31/2011 10:56:32 AM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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