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1 posted on 05/23/2011 3:41:16 PM PDT by NYer
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To: wagglebee
the case involves several students who were discriminated against because their speech was religious in nature, including a young boy who was singled out and banned from handing out candy cane pens with a religious message at his class "winter" party, a little girl who was threatened for handing out tickets after school to a religious play, and an entire class of kids who were forbidden from writing "Merry Christmas" on holiday cards to American troops serving overseas.

Ping!

2 posted on 05/23/2011 3:43:00 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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Schools will provide a room for Muslim kids to fall on their face, will allow “gay” kids space to hold their own dating club meetings but pass out a candy cane and its a federal crime.

The world is insane.


3 posted on 05/23/2011 3:43:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: NYer
All these cases have to reason from a false hypothesis which is government schooling. But if five year-olds don't have a right to vote, to run away from home, to drink, etc. then they certainly do not have any right to free speech in a school any more than they do when they might visit the Kennedy Center.

ML/NJ

4 posted on 05/23/2011 3:50:31 PM PDT by ml/nj
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I went to public school in Brooklyn, NY from 1990 to 2004, and never did I ever experience repression like those kids did while in school.


5 posted on 05/23/2011 3:56:15 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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This is all just dancing around the fact that they should slap the sh*t out of the teacher and fire the school administrators. This particular dance just keeps moving to the left.


8 posted on 05/23/2011 4:00:09 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: America's last, best hope for survival.)
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Ken Starr is a fink. Given a mountain of evidence against Clinton, he wasted vast amounts of time and money to produce an embarrassing molehill of a prosecution over a laughable charge, guaranteed to fail and humiliate the congress for having the audacity to want to impeach a profoundly criminal offender besmirching the office of the presidency.

As such, that is what he was hired to do. Betray his country by “throwing the game”. From that point, anything his does is suspect for low order duplicity.

In this case, he claims to support the rights of young children. But I suspect that he simply wants to erode the authority of schools and teachers and *others*, acting “in loco parentis” (in place of a parent).

Can children be taught in a situation where discipline is absent?

I a child wants to scream his fool head off in class, is a teacher interfering with their “right” to do so, by asking him to be quiet?

For years, Hillary Clinton campaigned for the “right” of children to sue their parents, and to diminish parental rights in many other ways.

Is that Ken Starr’s real agenda, compatible with his friends, the Clintons?


9 posted on 05/23/2011 4:14:00 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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My kid was attending one of the elementary schools when this went down.

This has less to do with kids expressing their religious beliefs than parents using their kids to evangelize through the school system.

Probably 90% of the kids in the school still believed in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. It’s absurd to permit parents to misuse/abuse their kids to proselytize on behalf of any religion in school to susceptible children without the knowledge or consent of the parents of the children receiving such “missionary” efforts.

And before the flaming begins, I feel that way about any parent trying to impress their religious views on other people’s kids without knowledge or consent.

That goes for Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.

I’m not saying each religion is the moral equivalent of each other.

I am saying that it is b.s. that this has become a freedom of religion issue.

It has nothing to do with the free practice of religion or free speech and everything to do with sneaky tactics to convert children of different faiths without parental knowledge or consent.

Want to talk to my kid (now a teenager in high school) about religion in school? Fine. Old enough to make decisions on that front. In elementary school, the parents playing missionary by proxy crossed the line. If they had been honest, they would have approached the parents directly.


13 posted on 05/23/2011 6:05:53 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Barack was Mohammed's horse. Obama is a horse's back side.)
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Wrong line of reasoning. This is an issue of discrimination, not the first amendment. Kids do not have first amendment rights so long as the school is acting in loco parentis. The school is responsible for the children's safety, and can do whatever it sees fit to provide a safe environment, including confiscating notes, censoring messages on clothing, enforcing dress codes, whatever.

However, in an age when atheism, Islam and Kwanzaa are imposed, it's outrageous to prevent children from sharing their social heritage.

14 posted on 05/23/2011 6:32:22 PM PDT by dangus
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This crap makes me want to scream! What has happened to America when government attempts to squelch religion? I pray for an end to public schools as we know them. And I pray for an end to dept. of education bureaucrats!


20 posted on 05/23/2011 8:04:13 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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Our education system is a total mess. Basically, the school district prohibits religious messages because its fears bullying lawsuits so bullying lawsuits become necessary to even the seesaw.

In a sane world, this action -- pro or con -- would not be subject to lawsuits but to legislative correction either via a school board or a state legislature.

29 posted on 05/24/2011 7:01:27 AM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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It has already been established that schools cannot discriminate against afterschool program based on religion as you can read at bit.ly/canecandy ... ... Regarding free speech, children should have the right. None of these children were trying to force their religion on others. It was simply a nice gesture towards friends... any of who could easily say no if they truly felt disrepected.
37 posted on 05/25/2011 1:05:59 PM PDT by WordOfCare
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I guarantee you that every single FReeper who defends Christian evangelizing in public schools would be screaming bloody murder if it were Muslim kids doing it.


40 posted on 05/26/2011 2:15:44 PM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a lot of things in my life that I'm not proud of. And the things I am proud of are disgus)
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