Posted on 05/23/2011 3:41:11 PM PDT by NYer
And what right does the public school system have to teach children that homosexuality is good and normal? But just make sure one of Johnny’s little classmates doesn’t invite him to Vacation Bible School!
Don’t let the facts get in the way of martyrdom.
The article posted is a bit deceptive about what happened.
Some of the “innocent” activities included loading the Christian kiddies up with Jesus pencils and candy canes with Bible verses attached to distribute to their classmates.
This wasn’t a normal purchase from the local Wal-Mart. The parents obtained the materials either through their church or a Christian bookstore with the intent to use their kids to convert others without the knowledge or consent of the other parents.
If Islamic kids handed out face veils with verses from the Koran during Ramadan, you’d be having a (justifiable) fit. Why carve out an exception for any preferred religion?
The kids are too young and there was no parental knowledge or consent. The so-called Christians who did this should be ashamed of themselves.
“And what right does the public school system have to teach children that homosexuality is good and normal? But just make sure one of Johnny’s little classmates doesn’t invite him to Vacation Bible School!”
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The Plano Independent School District doesn’t teach that homosexuality is good and normal. Nice try.
As for VBS invitations, that should be parent-to-parent. Or would you care for one of Ahmed’s little classmates to be invited to spend part of the summer break at the local madrassa without parental knowledge or consent?
All these cases have to reason from a false hypothesis which is government schooling. But if five year-olds don’t have a right to vote, to run away from home, to drink, etc. then they certainly do not have any right to free speech in a school any more than they do when they might visit the Kennedy Center.
So you don’ t think that anyone has a right to free speech until they’re 18 or 21?
Which one?
Little Ahmed can invite anyone where ever he wants. I wouldn’t let my child attend.
What is the big deal? Don’t want them to go, don’t let them.
And homosexuality is being taught at schools all across our nation.
“Little Ahmed can invite anyone where ever he wants. I wouldn’t let my child attend. What is the big deal? Don’t want them to go, don’t let them.”
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The invitation should be parent-to-parent, not behind the backs of the parents. People sneaky enough to arrange the invites without parental knowledge will think nothing of telling “white lies” to alibi the kid’s attendance without the parent’s knowledge.
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“And homosexuality is being taught at schools all across our nation.”
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Red herring. Stick to the case.
You made a blanket false accusation that PISD promotes homosexuality. When called on it, you then point to other schools “all across our nation.” While that may be true in some places, it is not true in the school district at issue.
Playing missionary (or jihadist either) in PISD isn’t excused because homosexuality is being promoted elsewhere.
Thanks....it was not well edited, but, hopefully, I got my idea across and people will come to understand the importance of ideas which form worldview and values and character.
Either, both, neither. I think it should be up to the States. How does that grab you?
Judging by the news, it would seem to be 18 'cause pornography is free speech isn't it? And 13 year-olds seem to regularly get into trouble posting nude pictures of themselves to their friends.
ML/NJ
In a sane world, this action -- pro or con -- would not be subject to lawsuits but to legislative correction either via a school board or a state legislature.
Great point.
Yeah, but would the teacher, principle and superintendent?
Actually, if the playing field was even i.e. Christian kids could talk about Christmas at Christmas times, I really wouldn't have a fit about the Islamic kids, or Jewish kids explaining Passover etc.
If fact, I remember Jewish kids talking about Passover in my elementary school. I thought it was a good thing.
Yeah. All those years the Jews were forced to put up with Santa Claus and Christmas carols in elementary schools turned them into stark raving mad Islamic suicide bombers.
“Children being prohibited from writing “Merry Christmas” on CHRISTMAS CARDS sent to troops overseas.”
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Okay...I’ll address that one. This is not a public school activity. No more so than having kids send “Happy Kwanzaa,” “Merry Festivus,” “Happy Hanukkah,” “Merry Winter Solstice,” “Happy Saturnalia,” or “Happy Ramadan” cards to the troops.
If you want your kids to do that, write the cards at home or send them to a private school instead of public school.
Not anti-Christian. In fact, my child is Catholic.
I’m against those who think they have the right to use their kids to try to convert my child in a public elementary school to their religion without my knowledge or consent.
As for the source of my knowledge, my kid attended Haggar Elementary from kindergarten through fifth grade. It was one of the PISD schools at the time where parents were having their kids play missionary and pretend to be victims when confronted on it.
The school wasn’t perfect...but it was a good public school. And at the time, there were many kids of non-Christian religions attending the school. But that’s beside the point. Having elementary kids spread the “good news” through distributing candy canes with Bible verses and Jesus pencils goes beyond religious tolerance. It is a ridiculous interference with the rights of other parents to raise their children in different faiths.
Like some Muslims, you’re demanding that I tolerate intolerance in the interest of freedom of religion.
“All those years the Jews were forced to put up with Santa Claus and Christmas carols in elementary schools turned them into stark raving mad Islamic suicide bombers.”
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This has nothing to do with the issue. Just like the other poster’s contention that districts promoting homosexuality in other schools justified the misconduct of the so-called Christians in this case. The old “two wrongs makes a right” argument doesn’t work.
Stick to the facts instead of straw men.
Straw men my ass.
You’re prohibiting free exercise of religion in the government arena. Private citizens, be they 8 or 80, handing out candy canes with biblical text hardly counts as proselytizing on behalf of the government.
“Straw men my ass.
You’re prohibiting free exercise of religion in the government arena. Private citizens, be they 8 or 80, handing out candy canes with biblical text hardly counts as proselytizing on behalf of the government.”
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Leaving your ass out of the conversation, you and your kids can believe anything you want. But public school is not the place to play missionary.
However, if you feel that strongly about it, perhaps you’d be okay with little Ahmed giving your daughter a veil to wear at school.
Better yet, maybe a Dianic Wiccan can hand out quotes from the Holy Book of Women’s Mysteries to your kid and invite to visit the local coven.
Then we’ve got Holiness Pentacostal kids who would be more than happy to hand out a couple of rattlesnakes for a little snake handling in the name of God.
How about some religious tracts from a polygamous Mormon child? Think your kid should learn the “good news” of polygamy and the advantages of becoming an elder’s teenage wife #5?
What about Scientology? Time for a few L. Ron Hubbard books for your kids?
Or Jehovah’s Witnesses? Isn’t it time that your child learn why it’s wrong to have blood transfusions?
Absurd? Who draws the line? You’re claiming the authority to do so on behalf of a single religion.
Get off the high horse.
And no, I won’t tolerate your intolerance. Want to start a religious crusade by manipulating your own children to be missionaries for it, do it somewhere outside of an elementary public school.
If you support the attempt to convert elementary school children in public schools behind the backs of their parents, what else would you support?
It’s the same rationale that those promoting homosexuality, saving the environment, and a host of other issues use to do the same thing.
They think they know better than the parents what is best for the kids.
Stick to raising your own kids and leave mine alone.
Then perhaps it's best to home school your kids where they can best learn intolerance straight from the horse's mouth.
I guarantee you that every single FReeper who defends Christian evangelizing in public schools would be screaming bloody murder if it were Muslim kids doing it.
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