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Clausewitz: Master of War
The American Interest ^ | May 17, 2011 | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 05/21/2011 8:13:10 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 05/21/2011 8:13:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
It's been years (ok, closer to two decades) since I've read On War. I'm going to have to pick it up again and re-read it.
2 posted on 05/21/2011 8:16:21 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

There is more profit to be had in studying Sun Szu rather than Clauswitz.


4 posted on 05/21/2011 8:31:48 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: arrogantsob

I agree.


5 posted on 05/21/2011 8:35:30 PM PDT by unkus
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Read Michael Handel's, "Masters Of War." He compares Clausewitz and Sun Tzu and makes the case that they were not too far apart in strategic thought.

A great thought Clausewitz had:

Woe to the government, which, relying on half-hearted politics and a shackled military policy, meets a foe who, like the untamed elements, knows no law other than his own power!

6 posted on 05/21/2011 8:43:55 PM PDT by Sawdring
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Woe to the government, which, relying on half-hearted politics and a shackled military policy, meets a foe who, like the untamed elements, knows no law other than his own power!


I think George Patton understood this. That’s why he got in trouble. Bradley and Ike used him as a warrior and then basically Ike threw him away.


7 posted on 05/21/2011 8:50:47 PM PDT by unkus
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To: neverdem

Oh, my. This brings back memories.

I was thirteen years old when I joined the Military Book club. It has been a very long time since I read On War, and it’s sitting on the bookshelves right now, between The Two-Ocean War and the Influence of Sea Power Upon History. Probably should crack On War open, again, for a refresher.

Another of the books I bought long ago was, Lincoln and His Generals. Very enlightening from an historical and political point; Lincoln was quite frustrated, his letters indicate. He had difficulties in getting his generals to do things, like fight battles (McClellan comes to mind!).

Another good read was B.H.Liddel Hart’s book, The German Generals Talk. It was derived from post WWII interviews with German field generals.

I spent a summer outlining that book for an English class - extra credit! The teacher was a naturalized citizen originally from Austria. He found my work interesting and told me about being forced into the Hitler Youth. His youth group was left in Vienna by the retreating Germans and they moved before the advancing Russian Army, destroying bridges and other infrastructure! He said he was 12-years old; some of his friends were as young as 9 and 10 years old. (And they were using explosives?!) The Russians, when they caught and of them would kill them. Still, they were brave young chaps to my thinking.


8 posted on 05/21/2011 8:53:03 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: Joe 6-pack

BTT


9 posted on 05/21/2011 8:54:40 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Joe 6-pack

http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/OnWar1873/TOC.htm


10 posted on 05/21/2011 8:57:35 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: neverdem

For later


11 posted on 05/21/2011 9:04:08 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: iowamark

Thanks for the link....got my own copy somewhere here with my highlights and marginalia from years gone by :-)


12 posted on 05/21/2011 9:29:45 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: unkus
"Woe to the government, which, relying on half-hearted politics and a shackled military policy, meets a foe who, like the untamed elements, knows no law other than his own power."

Sherman reiterated this sentiment somewhat more succinctly when he said, "Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster".

13 posted on 05/21/2011 9:32:06 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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I keep a copy in the book case over my desk. I aught to buy an epub copy for my electronic readers.


14 posted on 05/21/2011 9:41:15 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: arrogantsob
There is little covered in The Art Of War that is not elaborated on in On War.

None the less, I always reccomend studying both.

15 posted on 05/21/2011 9:45:21 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SatinDoll
I'm currently most of the way through B.H. Liddel-Hart's Strategy. The dust jacket is interesting: it has praise for the author from Patton, Rommel, and Gudderian. Liddel-Hart was really the inventor of blitzkrieg, but his own country's General Staff was too dim to adopt his ideas.
16 posted on 05/21/2011 9:45:59 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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As we look back at those forward thinkers ignored to the loss of their nations, one must wonder about thinking men here, in China, or in Russia etc.


17 posted on 05/21/2011 9:54:00 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: The_Reader_David

The inventor of Blitzkrieg was Chingghis Quan. The chap who introduced it to the modern world was William Tecumseh Sherman. The guy who wrote about was B. H Liddel Hart.


18 posted on 05/21/2011 9:58:18 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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19 posted on 05/21/2011 10:08:45 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
Clausewitz is one of my personal favorites for general military philosophy. There are many others that I would recommend reading. Sun Tzu's Art of War is a good read for some of the most basic general strategy that was so well conceived that it is still true today.

Others would include Antoine-Henri Jomini who's work is also titled The Art of War when translated into English. His philosophies on logistics are particularly important.

Command of the Air by Giulio Douhet despite some flawed initial thoughts on the use of air power, outlines some of the original strategies on air superiority that we still accept as a standard today for air operations.

I could go on and on going into theorists and strategists for different time frames and arenas of warfare but I wont. The last suggestion for strategy that's worth reading and is definitely current would be Counterinsurgency Warfare: Theory and Practice by David Galula. It's well worth the read.

20 posted on 05/21/2011 10:12:18 PM PDT by CougarGA7
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