Posted on 05/18/2011 6:32:22 AM PDT by pabianice
The two pilots who were flying an Embraer Legacy 600 jet that collided with a Boeing 737 at 37,000 feet above the Amazon jungle in 2006 were convicted of negligence in a Brazilian court late on Monday. The judge said the pilots, Joseph Lepore and Jan Paul Paladino, failed to adequately check that their transponder was working. Federal judge Merilo Mendes gave them a four-year sentence, but then suspended it and instead required them to do four years of community service in the U.S., where they have been since shortly after the accident. The two pilots testified during the trial via video link. Mendes also suspended their pilot certificates for four years. It's not clear whether those suspensions can be enforced.
An NTSB investigation into the crash found Brazil's air traffic controllers mainly at fault, for putting the two airplanes on a collision course. A Brazilian investigation parceled out blame to both ATC and the cockpit crew. All 154 people on board the 737 died. The Legacy jet was damaged but the pilots managed to land it safely at a remote jungle airfield. A lawyer for the pilots said he would appeal the ruling in Brazil's courts, according to the Associated Press. A lawyer representing the families of those who died also said he would appeal, to seek prison time for the pilots.
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The crash did occur in Brazilian airspace. The judgement of the Brazilian court is not enforceable. It was done strictly as a face saving exercise for Brazilian aviation authorities.
Brazil is not our friend


What a bunch of nonsense. They are assigned a transponder code before they take-off, are identified by ATC after take-off, climb and are transferred between ATC controllers and each controller acknowledges the ident.
Brazilian ATC screwed up big time. The ATC controllers were negligent and people died. There is NO FAULT to the pilots.
Sheesh. . .and then imposing “community service” to be served in the US? Bwahahahahaha. . . like that will actually mean anything. Suspend the pilots licenses? Bwahahahahahahahaha. . . like the FAA will go along with that.
Obama is drooling over this. . .he is thrilled at the prospect of subverting US sovereignty to some corrupt third-world court.
Sweeping generalization, but true, as they all want to infect our country, via illegal immigration, with their “culture” and to siphon off our public funds via welfare and other support programs. And of course, to knock us down to third-world status as well.
All third-world countries are petulant jealous children when it comes to the US.
Apparently, the NTSB blamed the air traffic controllers and the ATC system (per Wikipedia).
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I consider brazil a different animal in this context. They are a country growing quickly internally, standards of living are rising, and looking into the mid-21st century, it might be a nicer place to be than the US. My main concern with brazil is more regional instability in south america due to venezuela.
A brazilian friend of mine just came back from a visit after a couple of years of not going, and was quite amazed at how much things have changed. wages (real buying power) are higher, lots of employment opportunites, etc.
Crazy...I used to live there...my ex wife is from there...my two daughters are half citizens
Brasil is Godawful in places and is precisely where we are headed due to uncontrolled immigration and having more who don't contribute than do
and huge racial fractiousness there which cripples them contrary to the myth of harmony propped up by Pele ads
I cannot fathom when I see folks here make that claim about Brasil
Brazil is a lot more than Avenida Paulista in Sao Paulo or Sao Coraodo in Rio or Buzios...it is ungovernable in most huge slums and in the vast interior and if you have any money you require security like you cannot imagine
and the dearth of decent healthcare...little decent public education, no civil rights, smog, traffic beyond belief...rich folks in Sao Paulo travel by chopper around town...imagine
and corruption...and lack of sensitivity over death...I have seen dead children on the side of the road for a day...no one stops...fear...can you imagine that here
Brasil has every geographic advantage we have ..maybe more...but it was settled poorly and 30 percent were slaves who have never made the Great Leap Forward..plus an indigenous population far greater than was ours...toss all that together and we should be glad we were colonized like we were and had our demographic mix that has worked...at least till now
/rant
The pilots did somehow manage to inactivate the transponder. That’s a factual finding. Yes, the primary fault was with Brazilian ATC, but the pilots did make a mistake that was one of the factors in the crash. They were, however, following the clearance they were given.
That said, the FAA should take action against the pilot’s licenses based on the NTSB findings, not on some Brazilian court ruling—and I expect that would mean no action at all. As for “community service” in the US, that’s horsecrap.
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I would say the pilots of both planes were somehow negligent.
They both have radar and crash avoidance systems so how is it they managed to fly into each other?
Apparently you are a pilot, so correct me if my memory is faulty.
I quit 10 years ago, but when I was flying ATC in the US was very attentive to transponder codes and readouts.
If your transponder quit, ATC could not get altitude readout and they don’t like that.
If ATC lost your transponder or if the altitude readout varied from your assigned altitude, they let you know immediately.
It has been so long since I have been in a radar facility that I have forgot whether the system can tag a non transponder target with all of the info.
But the point is that ATC is the first to know if your transponder quits or puts out information that is faulty or in variance with your assigned altitude or route.
So you are right. A face saving whitewash for the Brazilians....bad old gringos.
The crew screwed up on several fronts. If they had taken pro-active steps as required the crash would have never happened, regardless of ATC’s incompetence and screwups.
Where did they screw up other than accidentally turning off the transponder?
The collision avoidance systems only work if both A/C have transponders. The American crew inadvertently deactivated theirs.
The only radar on the aircraft is weather radar to detect thunderstorms, not other aircraft.
The TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) relies on working transponders on both aircraft. The Embraer Legacy 600 had it's transponder turned off accidently by the US flight crew.
1: It can not be creating code or altitude information, or displaying incorrect information on the ATC controller's screen due to a technical fault. The pilots would not know this. The controllers would, as the information displayed woud not agree with position, course and altitude assignments.
2: The pilots forget to turn on the transponder or set the wrong code. Controlers would have seen this error at least 30 minutes before the accident.
Accident happened because controllers flew the a/c into each other. End of story.
Not correct.
The pilots were flying the assigned route and at the assigned altitude.
Therefore, they should have had the required separation from other aircraft whether the transponder was working or not.
Hundreds of thousands of aircraft flew hundreds of millions of miles on instrument flight plans before the transponder became available to civilian aircraft and even longer before its universal acceptance.
Yes, it was a lot more work for both pilot and controller but it proves that if the controller knows his job and the pilot flies the assigned route and altitude that planes will not collide.
I flew for a long time before I had a transponder. I had no mid air collisions.
I can prove it.
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